Episode 36 (Podcasting, Memorial Day, Guns)

We’re back inside the lounge for a Memorial Day episode of the Hot Ashes Podcast from Georgia’s Cigars in Swansboro, NC – tighter setup, cold AC, great cigars, and some heavy (and hilarious) conversations.

In this episode, Lee, TK, Roger, Zach, and crew dive into:

🎙️ Podcasting & Content Creation

Running a multi‑camera setup and the pain of audio drift and flaky editing tools
YouTube Shorts, weird algorithm wins (15k views on a random clip!), and dealing with trolls
Using AI tools for editing, thumbnails, and covers – and where it starts to get sketchy
🤖 AI, Deepfakes & Integrity

AI‑generated videos and voices, fake “Meryl Streep” health rants, and why the inflection still sounds off
College papers, doctors “cheating” with AI, tarot readers and horoscopes using ChatGPT
Where we actually like AI (editing and polishing your own writing) vs. where it crosses the line
🎖️ Memorial Day, Service & Mortality

The real difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day
Remembering fallen friends, sudden loss, palliative care, and what it feels like to face the end
Talking about regret, acceptance, DNRs, and how families remember their loved ones
📚 Leadership, the Marine Corps & Lee’s New Book

Lee’s book: “Because I Said So, and Other Things Weak Leaders Say” (out June 2)
Servant leadership, taking care of your people, and why “because I said so” is lazy leadership
Bad bosses, good mentors, and how continuous learning changes how you lead
🔫 Concealed Carry, Holsters & Everyday Carry

TK’s concealed carry class and the legal/moral weight of using a gun in self‑defense
Carrying with one in the chamber, trusting your firearm, and holster choices (appendix vs. small-of-back, tier one, Alien, etc.)
1911s vs. modern carry guns, plus expensive Japanese pocket knives and sharpening gear
🎵 Community, Music & Local Life

Seaside Arts Council and Swan Fest – free Sunday concerts in downtown Swansboro
Playing live on the Pug Pavilion, Motown, The Temptations, and local bands
Why local arts funding matters for keeping this stuff alive
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📍 Recorded at: Georgia’s Cigars, Swansboro, North Carolina
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📘 Lee’s book: “Because I Said So, and Other Things Weak Leaders Say” – available June 2 (add link when live)

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:26

It's the Hot Ashes Podcast. I'm Lee.

SPEAKER_04 0:29

TK. How nervous are you on a scale from one to ten right now? Shut up.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

It's funny. I am. This is your profession, dude. Like, of course you could do that. Not really yours, too. Well, yeah, I guess so. Uh, so this comes out of Memorial Day. Yes, it does. We'll get into that in a minute. Maybe the yeah. Because I got, you know, we gotta start.

SPEAKER_04 0:53

I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 0:54

You know what we gotta start with.

SPEAKER_04 0:55

I was ready to, I'm chomping on the bit for that topic, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

So we are inside today. Uh, and the reason we're inside is because they're doing construction on the deck or the ramp, rather, over at uh Church Street here in uh Swansburg, North Carolina. So it's inside, so the setup's a little tighter, which is fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

There's AC. We're not gonna look like we're in heaven for that. If I if anybody that said that ever sees this, that was hilarious. Great comment, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

I tell you, man, there's some great freaking comments on there, and then there's some trolls, little little we, you know, the little keyboard warriors in their mom's basement.

SPEAKER_04 1:32

But well, you have a story to tell about one of those later.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

I do, yeah. I might tell that story because it's so funny. Like he's just and then he just kept going, so I finally turned and was like, all right, now I'm gonna trigger you. Then you snapped. And I triggered the crowd. Now he's just oh, he's having a bad time. I am smoking a George's box press cigar. I have a different cigar to smoke for later, but I'm not gonna tell you what that is. It's a secret. It's a secret, it's a special cigar.

SPEAKER_04 1:57

We have our uh consistencies on the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

We do. I am drinking, but I'm I'm back to the Pernie Hayes for this one. I do have pernicious in there, but Pernie Hayes, you know, less alcohol content.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

Right. Respon the responsible choice. It's like two, like 0.2% less. All right, TK. TK's rocking the H Upman. You like that smoke. Yeah, I really do. It is a good smoke. It is good. It's uh the 1844 Nicaragua. Not as spite every time I smoke it after not having one for a while, I forget how spicy it is at the beginning. It's kind of peppery at the moment. Oh really? Yeah, it is. But then it gets like way smoother as you smoke it, which is it's I like that part. I might have to have one of those later on tonight.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

It's good. Yeah. It uh do you have you ever smoked uh Cuba Cuba acid cigar? Okay, because that's real spicy too.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

Not spicy in that way, because I know what you're talking about. Okay. I've tasted one before, but I've never smoked a whole one. But it's not like that. It's not like flavored, it's just like hard to explain. It's spicy. I gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

And what you're drinking? Straight up pernicious boy. Purney, pernie, pernie, the real stuff. The real the har uh high tangent. Uh that's all I put in my motorcycle.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

Yeah, man. Um good combo. Pretty sure I've had this combo on the sh uh show before.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

It is a good combo. I was just telling, so the reason that he knows I'm nervous is because right now it's just TK and I. Um, just based on when we had to do it during the week. Uh, you know, not people are at work. Yeah, even though, come on, it's leaving up, they should be off by now. Leaving. Yeah. Yeah. We do have some some old regulars that may be stopping in and getting on, but for now it was just episode was just us. I don't know if we did more with the code.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

I think Russell talked a little bit in the first episode.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Maybe he did, maybe he did.

SPEAKER_04 3:51

Because we had the other mics set up. Yeah. We brought four.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

Remember that's when nobody wanted to be on. They were like, I'm not getting on it. No, I'm scared. Yeah. And then now everybody sees how easy it is. We're it's takes it doesn't take talent. Well, you just BS. You just BS. But it's a it's not like it takes a special talent to do. It's it's a we're having fun.

SPEAKER_04 4:10

And the reason we have- That's what I always am telling you. I'm like, we're the hosts. If we have to tote the line, we got this.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Yeah. We can we can take out or put in whatever we want. Giggity for sure. Giggity.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

This damn thing could be 15 minutes if so we decide. Yeah. Here's your episodes. Here's your episodes. Play the music. We're out of here.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Yeah. But uh today's clip, uh, today's short that I sent out, I wanted to tell you. I'll look it up real quick. But um stat check stuff. It's all about, you know, algorithms and stuff like that. We're not tech geniuses, we're just guys that wanted to bring a cigar shop atmosphere to a podcast. Not geniuses by any means. 1.2k views on this one today. Oh, sweet. Yeah, posted it at 10 eight. Growing and growing. Yeah, but yesterday's is only like it was not good.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

See, like I was trying to pay attention to it, but there's like no rhyme or reason to me.

SPEAKER_03 5:01

It's weird. Because YouTube will test the shorts out for certain audiences and stuff, and so sometimes it'll skyrocket. Well, you remember that one we've got 15,000 views on. Right. Uh when Solange was talking about her nickname in school.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

Yeah, and then it was like, okay, I feel like we've had other funny stuff on at least close to that.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

That's that I would that wouldn't be the one that I thought. It was funny.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

There wasn't even like a real uh punchline or anything for it either. No, it was just kind of like it was almost just the middle of the story.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

Yeah, it wasn't even a grand thing. It was well, something else I've been so we're learning as we go. We're learning about all this product production. As you know, we now have a third camera set up, and uh we you you'll know that once you already forgot if you're watching this. If you're watching this, if you're listening, then you're just listening, and that's fine too.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

Which we appreciate as well.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Absolutely. But we are we're trying to get better at all of this. Um, you know, TK with his wedding and stuff had to teach me how to do the editing process of the videos, uh, because that's normally his his it's just tedious as shit. Very tedious. It is, but we're lucky enough to have a podcast, so that's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 6:07

Um we asked for these problems.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

That's right, man. First world problems. And so I dig it. I don't I don't worry that we, you know.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

I mean, I know sometimes it seems like there's always a brick wall, but they always just they get smaller and smaller and and just more of a just nah headache. Not like I don't know what to do, just like days.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Well, it's yeah, like last episode when it was done processing, the words didn't match up.

SPEAKER_04 6:31

Well, yeah, there was like some drift, and then I thought I fixed it because I was like, all right, if it's fixed at the end, it should be in theory good because it was off at the end and good at the beginning. So once I like I didn't realize it took the whole thing off because I've had to I'm not gonna break down the whole process of what I had to do on the show, but the last time I had to do something similar and use a different tile in the program, it worked and didn't mess with the front. I did the exact same thing and it like took the audio out of out of time.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

So some of these tools that we use, they're not they're they're kind of inconsistent, you know, they're intermittent with how good they are.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

I think it's a bit of user error too. Like not I didn't pay attention to the one thing I did maybe last week. Right. You know what I mean? Like there maybe I just do one little thing different, or but I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_03 7:16

And I've only done it a couple times, so I still am gonna have questions the next time I have to do it. I'm like, I don't remember how to do this.

SPEAKER_04 7:22

It's like a process, it is to but when you look at everything that goes into it, you're like, okay, well, it can't be that cut and dry. You know what I mean? There's gotta be some sort of difficulty factor.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Yeah, and we're lucky, and I wanna I don't want to change subject real quick, but uh but uh we're audio people, not video people in summary. Yeah, right. Yeah, you know. Um so what I was gonna say is what I'm one of the things I learned to do is on the shorts that I post, I go back into the studio, the YouTube studio, and I go and click on related video and I tie a link back to that actual full episode. That's tight. So what we you know, what we're trying to do is, you know, link in the description full episode in the description or something like that. Right. And then um I try to stay on top of the comments, I try to stay on top of the likes. Um, you know, some of the troll stuff. I'm just gonna like, you know, right go back to go back to middle school tomorrow, you know, it's fine. It's engagement. It is, and and I appreciate it. It's like you took the time to slow down and say You must be really bored then.

SPEAKER_04 8:20

If this is as bad as what you just said, yeah, you're like, you know what, I have to say something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

So and again, I welcome it. I mean, I welcome all comments, good, bad, or indifferent. Um, but you know, we try to be productive. We're trying to learn, so I would love productive comments. Uh, but yeah, like that's one of the things I I started doing, and then also in Wizard, that's what you I use to make the shorts out of the full episode. But it doesn't always, like you said, it doesn't always pick up the best that it'll it'll be facing like this camera instead of who's speaking. So it doesn't always, you know.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

And it's like it's only it's crazy because I think we've made this comment on the show. I want to make the analogy of like it's only human, like it's it's it can only be so good, you know what I mean? Like it's just a computer program. It's not AGI yet, it's still AI.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

It's just a little wee baby.

SPEAKER_04 9:08

Yeah, but that's so we talked about AI, and it's like we really do use AI for a lot of productive things, but how I'm curious to know, like, how long has it had to have been in play way longer than it was in front of people's faces, just uh readily available. Yeah. It has to have.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure the technology existed.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

Just as something you don't think about, like a uh what a uh slot machine or something like that. Like I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

But as you can see, we it already it it it's still they're still fixing bugs and kinks and and things like that. Major, major yeah, so it you know it's not perfect. Um hope I don't know, hopefully it won't ever be because I want humans to be important.

SPEAKER_04 9:49

Yeah, because it's like, all right, well, we don't need the 80% of y'all now, and then weird stuff starts happening.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

Yeah, but on the flip side, it's like I mean, look at all the AI uh crap that's out there. Um so John, Dr. John brought up a video today of Merrill Streep like talking about how she got Alzheimer's and it's all because of the pharmaceutical drug companies that suppress the real you know, all this crap. You can tell it's AI. The very first part of it had this AI person guy talking and building up the video. You can tell, man. You can't he's saying things like you know, 13-year-old, 13-year-old children's are doing this. 13-year-old children are doing this. So the grammar's not yeah, it's not correct. So it's like you there are no way you would say that.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

Mike Key like giveaway when it's like videos of people talking is uh like the inflection of their voice. It just sounds yeah, the voice tone is good, but the way that they put words together, it's like still kind of robotic, bro. You're almost there, still kind of robotic.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Two pet peeves about people that post videos on like TikTok, Instagram, Facebook.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Two pet peeves information anyway.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Two pet peeves. When I a video starts like, you guys are not gonna believe this. Watch right here. Look what they're look right here at this thing right there. Look, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_04 11:09

What up?

SPEAKER_03 11:11

You about to be on? Not yet. You about to smoke? You can sit next to me.

unknown 11:22

Are you guys recording?

SPEAKER_03 11:23

Yeah, we're on right now. You lied. Come on. Go go. I got that assault on camera, brother. Brother, brother, the Gitsy God, brother, Gitsy God, Gitsy God. Second. What was the first one? The first one. Look, right here. Watch this. I think the second one was just using AI to do the voice. When you are with your great Dane, and their great Dane does this, and it's like, dude, please stop. I hate I'll immediately scroll back.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

Just voice it over yourself at that point. It's like, bro.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

Yeah, but people have figured out that they can do minimum work and type it in and throw all this video, video, video, and then and then they'll get clicks and likes.

SPEAKER_04 12:01

It's crazy because it's like, I understand that like that on a level.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

I absolutely understand that. It's like, damn, it's but it's so annoying.

SPEAKER_04 12:09

Everybody wants to make their life easier. If you don't, you're almost just a super cryptic person. Like, you know, who doesn't want things to be easier in life? That is kind of almost the basic nature of us.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

I like it better uh for editing what I've written. Right. It'll look through an entire document. But not to create a craft from the nothing. I don't like that. Like now college students are gonna be getting away with thank God I did all my degrees before because AI was coming out.

SPEAKER_04 12:38

Where your integrity would be in question.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Exactly. Exactly. Well, it's like we talked about that doctor down in Florida that botched the surgery and killed the man. Uh, your doctor, you know, you might want to get healthy because your doctors are using Chat GPT to get through medical school. I don't know how to think about it. That's a joke. That's mostly a joke, mostly. But it's like, dude, yeah. And uh please let it be a joke. I want to say something real quick and then we can move on. Um, last episode we we talked about a wild thing that happened. We were at Cody's retirement, which was amazing. We were at uh Cody's party, which was amazing. Um, I left that next morning, went home, and by the time I came back to pick up the gear that we needed to drop off at New River, I'm texting Cody like I couldn't get down his street because there were ambulances everywhere. And I told this story, and I was like, somebody's dying over there.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

Yeah, we were all like, whoa.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

Well, it turns out it was a friend of mine. Dang it, man. And I'm not gonna say his name for respect for his family. Sorry, bro.

SPEAKER_04 13:37

Dang it.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Yeah, we don't know that's crazy the details, but it was And that's wasn't even in his house, correct? No, he had to run across the street, and it was in Cody's crushing man. Uh the whole but he was like a brother of yours, right? Yeah, so yeah, a Freemason as well, yes. And uh multifaceted brother. I'm wearing my CXBJJ shirt in honor of him. Uh black belt instructor, retired Marine, just an all-around, amazing freaking dude. And I'm glad we did toast to him last time, not knowing that it was him, but now for real. You know, God rest his soul. And uh, but yeah, I mean, not to bring the vibe down. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to bring the vibe down, but I I had to address it because we we we didn't know last episode. We were just like, this is a tragic thing that's happening, but we don't know who it is. And that just shows you how quick it can go, man. How quick you just oh man, you never know. Yeah. But yeah, so prayers to his family, and um let's get back to positivity. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 14:42

That's okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

I mean we lose people, you know. It's insane. It's always tough. But it's always it's I think it's tougher when it's so unexpected. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 14:52

That's you're right.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

Then I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

I mean, that's uh again, not to keep it.

SPEAKER_04 14:59

Is it crazy to think like sometimes whenever I'm like laying down at night? Sometimes the last thing that I think about is like, yo, this is finite. It's so finite here forever. No, like this ha like laying in bed a lot, a lot like probably hundreds of times thought like, dude, this is gonna be over one day. That is a cra that's like uh thinking, you know, like thoughts that you can't wrap your head around, like thinking about how big the universe is. Or how like new eternity is. Right. You're you just can't quantify it. That's like one of those unquantifiable thoughts, like and I'm like, You gotta go to sleep.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

And you don't know, yeah, like you don't. There's been a couple times in my life where I've been accepting, I was like, okay, if I die, I die. Well, but then there's been other times when I've been extremely, extremely anxious, paranoid. Right. After I got shocked those bunch of times, and I passed out on shock four. My lights were going out, and I thought that was it.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

And I and I calmed down and I was like, there's nothing I can do. There's nothing I can do. I I believe in Jesus Christ, I know where I'm going.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

That's what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

Damn. But I I was okay then, but then after that, I was terrified, paranoid, you know, about everything.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

The other time was when I skydived the first time when I was a kid. I mean I mean an adult. I was totally legal. I was an adult. No, I was 15.

SPEAKER_04 16:19

Eight-year-old jumping out of a plane.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

I was the kid, you can't hold me account. I was 15, but anyway. They made me uh no they didn't, but I remember in that plane looking uh looking out the at the world below me and thinking This is either gonna work or it's not. Yeah, there's nothing. There's you if you die, if he dies, he dies. You won't feel it. No, you really won't. So and that's why, and uh, and I'm I love my dad, but I'm I'm almost glad that he died the way he did in a plane crash. Right. I mean And he always said that that's how he wanted to go out, which kind of pisses me off because I feel like he now self-fulfilling property. No, he would never do that. But he but he always said that he's like painless, quick, it's over. You know, but um and so that's what man, that's what makes me paranoid is I've known so many people who have gone suddenly, and it's like freaking when is this gonna be?

SPEAKER_04 17:09

But is it just off button? Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Like, yeah, we we got dark. Let's let's let's talk back about AI.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

Let's talk about chat GPT again.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Oh, yeah, chat GPT.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

Um, I have used Would you chat GPT like, hey, when do you think I'm gonna pass away?

SPEAKER_03 17:25

No, hell no, I would never do that. We did do the one on the show where it said roast me. I'm not doing that again. I don't like that. I don't like that one bit.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

It's not fair. Uh because it doesn't have feelings. I can't joke it back.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

I used it to create my book covers, um, which real quick, shameless plug.

SPEAKER_04 17:41

My book I was gonna about to cut you off.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

My book comes out June 2nd. Yeah, what is it called? It's called Because I Said So and Other Things Weak Leaders Say.

SPEAKER_04 17:50

We've touched on what it's about, but for the people that are maybe first time rocking with us, what's the premise of the the book?

SPEAKER_03 17:57

So it's a leadership book.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Um is that considered like self-help essentially?

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Yeah, I guess so. Because but it's not like look, I know everything. It's just you it uses it uses both my experiences. I was in the Marine Corps for 20 years, you know, I worked as a regional manager after that, a general manager after that.

SPEAKER_04 18:13

Assistant to the regional manager, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

That's what I always always that's what I called my assistant regional manager, assistant to the regional manager. Um, and then you know, I got my doctorate in business administration and leadership. So I've been spending years researching it, peer-reviewed journal articles, doing it, you know, learning crappy the what what not to do from bad leaders. Uh, because you can learn from everybody. You can learn.

SPEAKER_04 18:36

Well, there's like a lot of experience in the world of what to do from not to do.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

Absolutely. All right, it's about to square these things up because we got Raja Roher. You get get comfortable, get comfortable, pick a seat. I'd pick that one if I were you, because you know that mic is the one that delays a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

That one's the the one best one.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

But but so uh where was I at? What did I say? You were saying that um I used AI for something. No, is that not what I say? Your experience. Yeah, the cover of my book. Oh, oh, that's right, the leadership thing. Um well Roger came in and threw me all off, just like Rusty threw me off. But no, it's it's a leadership thing. And so do I think that I have more leadership knowledge or experience than anybody? No, absolutely not. It's just that is my that's my thing. That's what I know about. So why not write about it, especially if I spent so much time and energy on studying it and living it. Um so I love it. You know, I love going into a restaurant or a gas station or just watching an interaction between a customer and an and and an employee of the of the company, and then and mentally, like here's how I would train the manager to train their staff. Right. Not how to I wouldn't put go put a mandate on that right now. I would train the manager because it's what to inspect essentially top-down, right? Well, yes. Yes, kinda. It's nuanced in a crazy way. Well, I talk a lot about servant leadership too. Uh one of the things that I grew up learning in the Marine Corps is you work for them and they'll work for you.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

Well, the C, yeah, you gotta give a little to give away.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

I always went to bat for them. I did not treat them bad. I did not, you know, I never like talked down to a Marine uh just because you're a higher rank, because you've been in longer.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

Because you can.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Because you've been in longer and you're a higher rank. Come on, man. Right. You know, that's that's ridiculous. Even at Cody's retirement, the formation we were practicing the day before, and they were outside and the formations, the Marines were all in formation, but like just waiting for the leadership to come out and run the practice. Right. Don't say the practice is at 10 30 and make them stand out there from 10 really 15 because they get their 15 prior till 10 45. They're out there for 30 minutes in the sun and you don't have your stuff together. Bring them into the hangar, let them be nice and cool before they start so you don't have anybody fall out. They're out there thinking to themselves, this is why I'm not gonna re-enlist. You know what I mean? Take care of your Marines and they'll take care of you. If they feel taken care of, and I'm not saying baby them, by no means am I saying baby your marines. Yeah. Give them hell. But but uh, you know, it's just like it any any that works anywhere. Take care of your people and then they'll take care of you. They that they see who stands up for them, they see who treats them like people. You don't have to open the door for me and get out of the way.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

You know, it's it's we're all people, we're all that is like totally across the board, no matter what you're doing. I mean, you could be sweeping the floor somewhere, and if the boss of the place is sticks his head and is like, hey man, thanks for doing that. You know, appreciate it. Absolutely thanks for doing that. You know, and you shuts the butt door again.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

And that cost the boss nothing. Cost the boss nothing. But how did it make that employee feel?

SPEAKER_04 21:37

I've been in here for two hours doing this. Yeah, thanks for cleaning that up, man. You good? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Appreciate you, bro. Like so I talk heavily about employees and and 'cause people will take that with them.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

Like just that simple interaction right there. They will take that with them.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

And they all have their favorite manager, they all have their favorite some is irrecoverable.

SPEAKER_04 21:54

Some relationships are like, bro, you can come in and say hi, and you're gonna be like, Man, that guy, man.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

And then also, you know, I don't expect leaders at the very beginning of their leadership journey, you know, maybe they're a supervisor at at a fast food place or something. I don't expect them to know everything. But I expect them to learn right what they need to learn. You can't just take a position and think, okay, I I get paid more. I know now I'm gonna tell you uh well once he's all hooked up.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

Well that's what I was gonna talk to you. I mean, you are a doctor as well, so I was gonna say I feel like to uh achieve like a certain level of academic status, I guess. I don't know the word. Yeah, uh achievement level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the farther you go, and when Roger gets on, I'm going the wrong way. When Roger gets on, he can attest to this too. Maybe I feel like the smarter you get, you learn the more you don't know.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

I I wouldn't call it smarter, I would call it uh the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know. Yeah, but but I have so much of a new found respect for anybody that has completed a dissertation or you know, the pre who completed a doctorate, but especially medical doctors, because then they have to go further, they have to go to residency, they have to go to you know just further and further training, especially whatever their field is in.

SPEAKER_04 23:15

And so I just it's it's but you would hope that these people that are renowned, like doctors in our society, they are renowned. People are like these people help save lives. They've saved they'll save my life one day, hopefully. You know what I mean? But you would like to think in your head, hey, I hope that that doctor is always willing to learn the next thing that he didn't know, and have that hunger to learn, you know.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

Absolutely. And I because of that because satisfaction stops progress, as they say. Yeah, you also that's true, and you also become um I don't know, you uh institutionalized by taking so much school because I still don't want to be done. I want to get like certifications and stuff, and there's no reason, I don't need it. But dude, you what if you do one day? No, I will. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep going and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

But just make it's like reading a book. It's it's good for your brain, learning more. Right Roger, welcome to the show. Oh, he's like, intro me, damn it.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

No, don't intro me. I'll do it my damn self. Smoking uh George's box press and uh drinking Circle City whiskey, it's uh 95-5 um wheat whiskey, 95% wheat and five percent multi barley, eight years uh out of MGP. MGP so yes, but yeah, to the point where you guys were talking about one medical doctors don't have to do dissertations, so you guys have a I Well mine technically is not a dissertation because uh it's a practitioner's doctorate, so it's a it was a called a doctoral project, but it's the same damn thing.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

I mean, though you guys don't? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

No, we don't.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

I mean it makes sense because you're what's the point of that?

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Yeah, I don't need to I don't need to profess anything. Right. So it's just like do you know it or do you not? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Yeah, if the guy dies, you didn't know it. You failed. But yeah, I mean, um but you did yours. How long did it take you start to finish?

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Uh including the year of community college that I failed.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Yes. You didn't have to bring that up, dude.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Uh failed a year at community college, went back to school at community college, uh, did better a second try. Uh did three years at community college, two years at uh UCSD, and then four at UCLA, and then four years of residency at Portsmouth.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

And then now here's four years of residency.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

So when they say that takes eight years of school, it's not just eight years of classroom work, it's eight years of going and doing classroom work is really just like undergrad and then um like the first, depending on what med school you go to, first one to two years of med school. Sweet. The rest of it is like, well, yeah, you're working, and so this is where you're getting a lot of like on-the-job training, a lot of on-the-job knowledge. Because you could read things. I mean, if you saw our medical textbooks, you know, one could try to memorize all of that, but it's you know, damn near impossible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

And so you have to um even with just the basic terms like uh posterior, anterior. Like when I took Allied Health before, and I was like, they're like, this is the basic stuff here. And I was like, well, I don't I don't want to be a doctor anymore.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Oh, you were that's what you were gonna go for?

SPEAKER_04 26:39

I wanted to be a doctor at one point, yeah. I took Allied Health one in my junior year and I was like, I'm not gonna be a doctor.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

I'm not gonna be able to make it directionally challenged, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Key termally challenged.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

No, I I I do think that um the on-the-job training is kind of what sears it into your brain.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

Right. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, yeah. Yeah, not writing a pencil, and then obviously watching shows like The Pit probably helps too.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Yeah, yeah. If if anything, that draws back some of the old knowledge. It's like I used to remember a lot of this.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

So, like not Gray's Anatomy then. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

That sucks compared to The Pit, dude. It's a it was a good show for a couple seasons and then they went too far, like The Walking Dead.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

But um every episode's so damn sad.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Yeah. I'm like it. I mean, I remember when I was still watching it, because my wife watched it, um, when 007. Do you remember that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

George O'Malley.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

Yeah. That was sad as hell, dude.

SPEAKER_04 27:36

It's just funny to me that you said that. I don't I mean, I've never seen it. You know, I've seen just random episodes like when Nicole's watching it and stuff. I gotcha. Long story short.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Not a bad show. He had a long string of people dying, and so they called him uh 007 because he had a license to kill. Oh, the other sad thing is you know Dr. Cole. This is the yeah, the he was a surgeon.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

The other sad thing is Eric Dane was in that and he recently passed from uh ALS. ALS. Oh my god. So sad, man. Wow. And he did an interview right before, and he knew that nobody was gonna see it until after he died. Oh my god, dude.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah, that was a crazy special. Man, what a wild thought, as like whoever created that show.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

We were talking about that kind of sort of right before you walked in, bro. Like having the thought of this is definitely not gonna last forever. Even in good health, having like the thought of this is gonna come to an end.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:29

And so imagine whenever you actually are given that short timeline, like this is gonna come to an end in a week. Yeah. Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

You start panicking, start trying to uncontrollable.

SPEAKER_04 28:40

Yeah, you know, there is no calming down.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

But at some point, like you know, as you approach like the days to hours, um, you probably get a little bit of a sense of calm. I'm sure you're like the finality of it.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

You peep that it's like, hey, this it's happening. It's happening.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

I think the thing that we always one of the like the strongest things to feel is regret. And then it's like if you're nearing your end, you could regret it all you want. It ain't gonna change anything. Alright. And so it's just like You're not gonna cry your way out of this one. Yep, this is it. So, you know, take it, leave it, whatever it is, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

Say something whoever you need to say what to yeah, hopefully you've done it.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Yeah, and and then that's it. But that's a wild experience for a lot of folks. Like when I was on um I did palliative care.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

So that's the nature of the beast entirely.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Yeah, just having that discussion with anybody, with family members, with people.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Yeah, and then and then when people put in uh uh DNR.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

Resuscitate, dude. You know, like I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Unless you've seen the other side of it. Yeah. And I think as doctors, we've seen people just completely hooked up to machines, broken ribs, and you're like, dude. Oh yeah, you don't want to be able to do that. And it's just like you're not you now. And this is how your family's gonna remember you, by the way. Right. And so it's like at that point, it's like, yeah, let's just take all the happy memories.

SPEAKER_04 30:17

Yeah, yeah, I agreed. That's kind of how it was with my Grampy, dude. It was like, I mean, dude, it's just one of those things, bro.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

That's like everybody that dies and you go to their funeral and they don't look like themselves at the wake, you know. So it's like, well, now that's seared into my brain, and now it's like balls anyway to walk up there and do that, and you know.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

Do you? Huh?

SPEAKER_01 30:38

You don't go up to open casket?

SPEAKER_04 30:40

I would. I do. I haven't been to that many funerals, maybe less than ten. I've been to probably less than ten, and all the ones I've been to have been like close with the people. So I'll go up there. I'm not afraid of it, but uh, it's like it's definitely anything. That's not you. I mean, it's you, but that's not you. Right, right, right. Like that's not yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

So and I haven't really seen one that looks like they did when they were alive.

SPEAKER_04 31:02

It's gotta be difficult though.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

I am know that. I I'm absolutely so. If there's any morticians out there, I'm not putting you down. I I know you guys work hard, but I imagine you work hard. Do better. I don't know for real. Yeah, it's 2026. Have you ever heard of Chat GPT?

SPEAKER_06 31:16

But I mean, I yeah. So sorry. AI. What did you say about AI?

SPEAKER_04 31:22

Oh, they got this the psychics are on it now, bro. Yeah, the tarot card readers are on chat GPT, I guess just to make sure. Even psychics have to use um real quick. It's like in the Wizard of Oz, whenever the dude tells Dorothy to close her eyes and he's like taking her stuff out of the basket or whatever, and it's like, close your eyes real quick. We got the crystal ball. Yeah, and the dude's like, hold on, let me get my phone real quick. Um, so do you know a lady named Alice, right? Yeah, that's my mom. And it's like, yeah. Looking me up on Facebook and stuff on Facebook, not even Chat GPT, just like searching her profile.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

What was the name of that Jamaican lady?

SPEAKER_04 32:00

Miss Cleo. Oh yeah, uh call me now for your free tarot read.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Miss Cleo. That's funny.

SPEAKER_04 32:08

Uh University of Michigan and MIT study tarot readers in the United States, Canada, and Mexico turning to AI for guidance. That's crazy. That's wild.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

If anybody's going to get tarot readings, then they kind of deserve what they get because if you really think that stuff's real.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

I don't know. Oh man, I don't. I really don't. Broken clock is wrong twice a day. So right twice a day. Right. That's kind of how I feel twice a day. Wrong most of the time. Right. Whichever one. Yeah. Both are accurate.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Trust me. I'm a doctor. Yeah, it is. Yeah, you can't tell left or right. I can't tell right or wrong.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

So whichever one works better for you, just run with that one. Dude, I'm a man.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Chat GVT is taking over, dude.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

That's like uh same thing with shout out to all my mediums because I do know some people that do the medium things. Yeah, we had no one.

SPEAKER_03 33:02

We had the no, we had the no up no quarters paranormal on here.

SPEAKER_04 33:07

And even beyond them, like I know them, but I also know other ones too, like two or three, which is kind of a lot for uh civilian in that in that world. Yeah. Dude, it's kind of like the horoscope thing. It's all like I could probably read like an Aquarius horoscope and pick something out of that as a Pisces and be like, that is me, bro.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Yeah. Or what's the what's the what are the the odds that every single Capricorn is that today or whatever?

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Depends on the moon phase.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Right. The moon that makes the tides, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

Yeah. That's just one of those things, too.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

Like, as far as like uh, you know, general information, like, hey, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

You should look it up one day.

SPEAKER_03 33:48

What's that?

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Like the your your horoscope based off of like the timing of your birth and all that stuff. You know what time you were born?

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Uh something's on my mind. Dude, I was born at 1111. I think it was like two in the afternoon. Let's look it up right now. Or maybe it's a good one. What's your birthday? Just what are you doing? I'm gonna look up your horoscope. Oh, December 29th.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

Year?

SPEAKER_03 34:10

1978.

unknown 34:12

Oh, baby.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Hell yeah, you were a tax break. Oh, baby. They're like, yes. Yes. That's 11th hour. Clay Wool.

SPEAKER_03 34:21

Days before the new year.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

All right. Ask Oracle. It's the first website. I didn't use Gemini.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

You gotta figure out the timing.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

This is this is so wacky. Yeah. It's wacky.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

You gotta zoom in on your face as well.

SPEAKER_04 34:38

2026. It's basically an encompassing thing. Get ready for a year where change is the only constant. It's like a seed pushing through the soil. You're on the verge of a big transformation with opportunities for personal development and also some challenges to help you grow. You'll be feeling the pool of change in various areas of your life. Think of it as a time to shed old layers and step into a more authentic version of yourself.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

That couldn't have been the more generic than it was. That could not have fit a template.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

I wasn't trying to prove myself right if I did, so be it.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

If the pool of change was your L5S1, then they if they would have called that up.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

Dude, that was so generic. That was generic. You're gonna have a great year and you're gonna have some challenges, and then you know you'll grow with it. So just basically I'm gonna be living my life. I'm just gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

You gotta look up like not the horoscopes.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

You know who I bet writes the horoscopes now? AI. I bet I AI does it now. Yeah. It does everything else.

SPEAKER_04 35:37

This is listen to how mine starts compared to yours. It's almost exactly the same. Get ready. Get ready for a year of significant personal growth and change. What? It's like you're the main character in your own story, and 2026 is the chapter where you step into the spotlight. This is kind of true. There will be moments of intense action like a high-stakes sports games and times of quiet contemplation, like a peaceful walk in nature. This year you'll find yourself pushing boundaries both internally and externally and discovering a new level of resilience you didn't know you possessed.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

What year were you born? 1978. Why do you make me keep saying it? 1968? 78, bro. 78.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

And at 2 p.m.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

I can ask my mom.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

He wasn't born yesterday, that's for sure. Let me ask my mom.

SPEAKER_03 36:26

Nor later that evening.

SPEAKER_04 36:27

She ain't gonna know. She don't care about me.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

Hey, what time was I born?

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Be the fast textest text message you get back ever. She's like, I remember it like I was yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Well, she always pretends that I almost killed her or something. Or maybe my older brother almost pretends. My older brother almost did. Because she was she was told by the doctor she wasn't allowed to have kids again after him, after my older brother.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

Where were you born?

SPEAKER_03 36:48

And then so that's why I'm her miracle baby. Virginia Beach, Virginia, baby. Virginia Beach General Hospital.

SPEAKER_04 36:54

One more question. What is your favorite?

SPEAKER_03 36:58

My favorite pet?

SPEAKER_04 36:59

Or what was the name of your childhood street that you grew up? Yeah. All of the security questions.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

Yeah. I mean, my birthday's on Facebook. I don't care if you know that.

SPEAKER_04 37:11

I'm joking.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Dude, if you want to steal my identity, you'll be disappointed in mine. I have a certain set of skills and I will find you.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

This is if you're born at 2 p.m. So it really depends on what time you were born. Uh but we'll see, we'll compare this with what it eventually is. Uh so your core identity is a Capricorn sun, the I'll handle it energy. Practical, reliable, usually the one people lean on when things get messy, tends to respect competence and effort over talk. Yeah, but come on, you're just saying like your emotion style is an Aquarius moon. Emotions may be real and deep, but often processed intellectually first. Can seem detached at times. I'm fine while internally running a committee meeting about life. Values independence and authenticity. Taurus rising, this is your first impression. People may initially see him as calm, steady, grounded, and hard to rattle. Also associated with stubbornness. Once the mind is made up, moving it can feel like pushing a truck uphill.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

No, no. Is that true? Yeah, that's a no.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

You you tell me what you based off because it's like a little bit of a little bit more. I said people may initially see him as calm, steady, grounded, and hard to rattle. Also associated with stubbornness. Once the mind is made up, moving it can feel like pushing a truck uphill.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

No, that's that's kind of true. She says she doesn't know, just like I knew she would say.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

It's on your birth certificate.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

I know, but that's I don't want her rummaging through my file cabinet. Um says, I'm not sure. And I was like, was it morning night? She goes, actually, I think you have your birth certificate. I was like, I bet you know Taylor's. My sister, her favorite.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

But uh be like, she doesn't know mine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Uh also says he's the jealous type, particularly with compared to siblings.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

She said nighttime, she thinks. Nighttime? Yeah, so maybe like 6 p.m. or something. It doesn't matter. Well, it's it's like nighttime for an old person if it's all fake and it's like afternoon.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

That's nighttime for him, old man.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

No, that's my mom that answered that. My mom's the one that said that, and she's 75, so she thinks that's nighttime. Although she stays up awfully late when she's hitting grandpa's old cough medicine.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

We need Jared here to bring that one home.

SPEAKER_03 39:35

I know. Jared actually is coming down this weekend. Wish I was gonna be But you'll be out of town.

SPEAKER_04 39:41

Where are you going? The Coca-Cola 600, which is why I have this reckless facial hairstyle. Charlotte? Yeah. Yeah. Concord, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Yeah, he's got the sideburns, the the muscle. Boogity boogity boogity, whatever you call that.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

The little patch. A little flavor saver.

SPEAKER_03 39:58

There, that's also another colloquial term for it. Yeah. You just you're all you're missing is the is the beer.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

The uh Nicole's looking at you like, what the fuck did I do?

SPEAKER_04 40:08

That's exactly what she said last night. I think I did it while she was like like uh getting ready for bed. Quickly just did it with the trimmer, and I'm already laying in bed, and she like looks down at the bed and she goes, Oh no. Literally verbita, but she was like, Oh no, no. And I was like, Oh yes. I was like, the cool thing about all this, it grows back.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

Yeah, it grows back. That's why I never worry when I shave or something. They're like, You shaved your beard. I was like, Yeah, I got back in uniform. What's up? Or that when I went down to the mustache for Halloween, and then I kept that thick old mustache for a while. I was like, Yeah, it's a new look. We'll just keep it for a little bit. You can't grow a mustache like that.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

Your guys' shit grows back fat. I haven't shaved since Cody's graduation.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

That's not true. I'm serious. You're lying to me.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

I'm serious.

SPEAKER_03 40:56

And you called it a graduation. Everybody keeps everybody keeps saying that. This graduation's a big boy page. I think you're in real life. I think it died. It's that's fine. We'll get a little bit of it. Yeah. Um, and then we'll come up with a maybe one of these adapters will be. Maybe one of these adapters will work with that.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

It's just still mini USB. Oh, I gotcha. Yeah. Oh, I have to do that. We just need more uh outlets. That's all.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

All right. Cody and I Cody and I have a bet. Not it's gentleman's bet. Well, I don't know, 20 bucks or something like that. We we each uh shaved on Friday. It's now Wednesday.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Shaved where?

SPEAKER_03 41:31

Shaved our balls. I mean, uh each other's balls. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Um, no, we shaved our faces. Thanks, Roger.

SPEAKER_06 41:42

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

But it's been a few days and I'm I'm winning so far. But his, I think his is longer than it looks because he's very gray already, but he's never gotten to grow it out, so he doesn't know yet. But he's probably like, dang, I'm gonna just keep shaving. Yeah, but I I do grow quick uh quick beard.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

Goes back pretty fast for me, too.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

That's why I never I like I do worry when it's like longer, when I have it longer, and I don't like the way I look with a long beard. I just think it's kind of funny looking when I shave it off. I'm like, oh, that took me so long. Yeah, but it doesn't look good.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

So I was just having this conversation with a group of friends of mine the other day. Um, I like love the feeling of a clean shaven face, but yeah, my wife prefers me to have a beard, and I also I like the way I look with a beard too, but like you know, right like the day shave. Oh, yeah, it feels nice whenever you like fully do all the work and like get it scanned both ways and it's like clean. Well, I also feel like you look clean too if you got like a clean haircut, clean shaven.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

That's what I was gonna say, I like a clean haircut too, man.

SPEAKER_04 42:39

I can't stand you can't have a clean shaven face and then the neck hair and shit.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

Yeah, this is all neck hair and it gets all long and yeah. I used to look like a perv.

SPEAKER_04 42:47

I used to cut my own hair in the Marine Corps, but you look like a psychopath, like alright, you should you could have just gotten a haircut, bro. Like you didn't even have to shave, you could have just got a haircut.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

But I don't trust anybody anymore with haircuts because they're a lot of people one dude that on the a lot of people aren't good at it. I saw uh it's like this is your profession, and you can't fade better than that. In a military city? I can fade.

unknown 43:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:08

In a military city. In a military c in a military city, that's right. Surrounded by three of them essentially, like what you know, Cherry Point, Jacksonville, and then you know, Swansboro is just sandwiched in between the two. Yeah, yeah. It's like dang. Yeah, yeah. But shout out to the barbers out here. I'm gonna have to test you guys out. I can't test y'all because I already have a barber.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

There are some good ones, and there's somebody I've been seeing that Rusty's been telling me to go see, and he does a really good job. So in the first time.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

I already have a guy. Shout out to Luxers, cuts, and have like shameless plug.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

I was getting my hair cut um on Sunday, and packed. No, actually, I I only had to wait behind one person, but after I showed up, oh, you're talking about this past Sunday evening. Okay, I got you.

SPEAKER_03 43:49

Um Are y'all feeling the smoke too? A little. My eyes are burning. I was like, what the fuck's going on?

SPEAKER_01 43:55

The uh uh I I was in the chair getting my hair cut, and then a ton of people came. Came in right afterwards. And then in walks Ed. Which Ed Which one? Loud Ed. Candy Ed Candy Ed. Candy Ed showed up and he's looking around and he's just like, oh shit, it's back. And so he goes to his people, one of which is mine. I don't want to give the name because I don't want to make my wait any longer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:19

Let's tell your barber that you did that. You know? I could have given you more business, but Scott from Simply Cuts over there in Swansburg.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

That's who I go see. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So Scott or DC. DC is usually in the back.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

I heard Brandon was good too.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Yeah, Brandon's up front.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

That's who uh um he went on lunch the other day when I got there because I needed my haircut for the he was like, I'll be back in an hour, but it was already like one o'clock. I'm like, Yeah, so will I. And I went to base, got my hair cut, came back here.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

I just didn't have time to wait an hour and it's pretty like uh yeah, you're gonna get like an authentic military haircut and you're able to be on uniform.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

So I told him I'm about to be in uniform, I want it high, not a high and tight like I used to have, but like high higher than medium high just to rock like the like the beaver pelt, like no man. I just a regular little but because it was easy to cut that way. I could just do it by sound after a while. When I was on the ship, I didn't have a lot of mirrors, so I was like, just by sound, I can I can kind of do it, and then I can feel it. You feel where the thing is.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

I mean, you think it was straight, but nobody was just saying it was just that nobody was saying anything. They're like, you just should put your cover on.

SPEAKER_06 45:24

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

I mean, yeah, I mean, I could take a picture with my phone and see it. Okay, okay. Plus, we had one where there was a TV screen I was trying to use. I was like, this is not gonna work. But over the years, I I've done it so often that you know I I got all right at it.

SPEAKER_04 45:38

I just shaved my head one time myself, multiple times, probably like a lot. But I'm scared to like walk away because I'm like, I don't know if I got it all.

SPEAKER_03 45:47

But I was like the deployment barber. Every deployment I went on, I was the barber, you know.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

You know, uh, have you heard of the dragon lady in the Navy?

SPEAKER_03 45:54

Yeah, but no.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

I mean she is the one at uh Great Lakes that cuts all the women's hairs, and um yeah, and but she's known as the Dragon Lady because she's obviously yeah, she's Asian. So it's a racist thing. Yeah. But totally racist. Totally. But she just retired, and so people are like, dude, we need to make a thing for her. She needs to get her.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Oh, because you guys don't shave your heads all the way, do you?

SPEAKER_01 46:21

I wasn't a recruit.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Well, you weren't a recruit, but you guys navy being navy.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah. Um I don't think that I think they do anyways. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:29

I didn't know if it was like I know. I didn't know if it was like stripes, you know, in the army where they don't even have to get their hair cut that much.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

I don't know. I haven't seen it. I mean, you haven't seen stripes? No, I'm no I'm saying I haven't seen pictures of anybody going through anytime recently. And the ones that I have seen, they're all kind of shaved off, so Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

As it should be. You need no identity when you're a recruit. You get no identity when you're a PC recruit. But it's the Navy. You haven't earned it yet. You haven't earned it yet. It's a navy. You're the lowest scum on the face of the planet as a recruit. You're lower than civilian.

SPEAKER_04 47:07

Lower than that, as well. Which isn't low. Which isn't low, by the way. Lower than that.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

Uh I love civilians. All right, you want a beer? Uh uh not yet.

SPEAKER_04 47:19

Okay, I'm gonna get one.

SPEAKER_03 47:20

You can go get one, but I was gonna have you real quick. Never mind. Well, I'll wait till you get back. Just go.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

What is it?

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Today's episode is coming out on Memorial Day.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Oh, yeah, I'll be right back. You're gonna get into that.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Or I could just get into it. Yeah, get into it. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

It's like, yeah, that's we could talk about that one bit.

SPEAKER_03 47:37

Memorial Day. So, and then I was like, oh, happy Memorial Day, but then you immediately it's not really happy. Happy Memorial Day, yeah, it's not happy, but it's like you want to still acknowledge it, you know. Memorial Day, but it's not Veterans Day. So this is a PSA. Um you thank a veteran for their service all you want, but this this day is for those who have fallen. Um and so we're you know, it's it's for to remember them and not to like not thank currently serving or having served uh uh veterans. So yeah, Memorial Day is not just a uh think about, you know, yeah, we get a day off work and we get to grill out and we get to go to the beach and we get to do all this. Yes, but think about those who lost their lives, you know, serving this country.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

Um it's definitely a a sore spot, so you gotta try to figure out how to uh you know embody that holiday for what it is. Like, you know, people will go out to uh the different national cemeteries and place flags and flowers and do all those things. And right I think that that's a great thing to do as a family to just like take the kids out of the house. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

And we want you to cook out, we want you to go live the American dream with your family on the go to the beach. We want you to do the things, but but remember what the day is about, is all I'm saying. Right. Um those you can't be doing it anymore.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

And the lines get blurred to people. I mean within a however hundred mile radius of this area we're in, people are spoiled because we have a lot of military presence here, so they kind of understand that a good bit. But you know, it's not anyone's fault to know that that when they're like, make sure you think of veteran today, it's like, hey, appreciate that, but that's kind of not what this is, right? Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

You know, and it's always appreciated, right?

SPEAKER_04 49:25

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

Your heart is in the 100% right place, but it's just that's not what this day is. I don't like people that get mad. It's like it's not about that, it's about those yeah, come on, dude. You like you know, settle down and explain.

SPEAKER_04 49:37

Well, again, and also people might not know, dude. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

Just settle down and explain without emotion.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Strike up a conversation with a veteran because you stay in long enough, you've lost people, right? Absolutely. So it's like, hey, who who are you thinking about today on this memorial day? Yeah. And you know, have that conversation, let their, you know, the the their legacy continue to live on.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

Sure. Yeah, the and the and you're right, the longer you're in, the your list grows. You know, I've got a list now that I've think through.

SPEAKER_04 50:02

Such is life. I mean, but not for Memorial Day, but you get what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but that's that was a good point, and I'm glad this is coming out on Memorial Day, and I'm glad that we observe and r remember that. Um and I I'm glad that that people are off work. You know, I I really think that that's a it's a day to be a holidays. It's like it's not quite fourth of July because that's when we're celebrating something.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

Freedom. This is where we're remembering those who made it possible to go to the beach and made it possible to have these cookouts and you know, made it possible to and like you said, there is that percentage where it's like do that because you're afforded the ability to by way of the ultimate sacrifice of so many people, you know.

SPEAKER_03 50:45

Yeah, yeah. But what does that also mean? I mean summer's starting.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

Yeah. Uh unofficially, yes. That's what is it? Uh Memorial Day to Labor Day is the unspoken summertime. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

Yeah. And um, speaking of which, we normally, we, uh the town of Swansboro, uh by way of the Seaside Arts Council, if you haven't already done so, check out the Seaside Arts Council. Are they on social media? They are, they have a Facebook page. Um if I think about it, I'll put it in the description of this episode. But the Seaside Arts, and I've been a member of the Seaside Arts Council, um and and I put my band plays for the Swan Fest that they put on. So Swan Fest is every single Sunday here in uh Swansboro, North Carolina, where we've got the Pug Pavilion right next to Georgia Cigars in downtown Swansboro, where a band will play, I think it's from 6 30 to 8 every single Sunday. It's absolutely free. We shut down the streets so people put their chairs out and they sit on all the streets and really, really cool. And then we have the best seat in the house here at the shop because we get to see them right there through the through the platform.

SPEAKER_04 51:48

We're backstage.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

Yeah. And then, like I said, my band gets to play there too, and we're playing there July 26th. But they did not, they normally open it up on Memorial Day and close it up on um Labor Day. And I guess So what happened? Uh there might have been some funding issues or something. So that's why they need your support. We need support for the Seaside Arts Council. So how long is it this year? It's from June 7th. Oh, okay. So they didn't do one, they're not doing one this weekend, which is normally when they open it up. So they were jokingly saying, Hey, we volunteered you to go play up there for free. And I'm like, no. But uh, I'll be enjoying a price just went up.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

Well, he I can't, you know, my band, there's more of us than just me. We have to.

SPEAKER_04 52:30

If you would have caught me seven years ago, we would have done it for free.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

I would go out there and do it for free if I wasn't insert excuse here.

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Exactly. You'll think of something by then.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

I'll come up with that. Something'll come up. But uh it is a really cool concert series, so there's all different kinds of bands. And again, it's free. So come on down to Swansboro for the band every single Sunday.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

Who's the band that does the old school music, man? And they got like the five-piece and they like bluegrass?

SPEAKER_03 52:59

You're talking about like bluegrass?

SPEAKER_04 53:00

No. They got the uh the hats on and they got the outfits.

SPEAKER_03 53:03

You wanna be on?

unknown 53:04

Yeah, I can be on.

SPEAKER_04 53:05

Jump on in. Got Zach here. Don't forget the Camarola. Yeah, I got it. Alignment.

SPEAKER_01 53:12

I'll grab a glass, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:14

There we go. What is the band? They they play like the Motown hits and they Oh, you're talking about the Tams. Yeah. Uh you don't like them? Dang.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

I'm cutting this part out. I didn't say I don't like them. I I don't think there's any original.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

Your indifference was almost even more disrespectful.

SPEAKER_03 53:32

No, because I don't, I don't want, I haven't seen them. Yeah. Um, I don't I think that they're not they're not allowed to support your local bands. They're not local. They they travel, yeah. They're not local, and they did not give the uh advance money back to the town when Florence hit, just like every other band did. Yes, just like every other band did. They can't. Lead with that, don't you? Yeah, greed is not a good look on anybody. All right. On any band. We can, but there's no original band members left in the band anyway, so it's not like the real the real band. Plus, when my band was playing on the other stage down there at Mullet Fest, yeah, guess where the crowd went?

SPEAKER_04 54:08

Over there.

SPEAKER_03 54:10

No, they're tired of hearing the same thing like every year.

SPEAKER_04 54:13

And it's like Well, I've only heard it like twice, so I'm not tired of it, Lee.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

I liked it. I love Motown, dude. Me too. I love it. I thought I was raised. Have you ever seen the three-part doc you? It's like a movie, but it's in three parts. No. It's The Temptations?

SPEAKER_04 54:27

Nope. I've seen the one that was on VH1.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

With uh you've seen it. You've probably seen it. Really good movie. Really good movie. I love the temptations. It's basically the one, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:39

I know you won't leave it. I know, but it's like uh the one guy is the bass singer.

SPEAKER_04 54:48

So then we gotta be talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

Yeah. I'm gonna look it up. And I know the wife. And that ain't right. I love that shit.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

I would have been back in back in fifth grade.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

Oh crap.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Back in fifth grade three years ago.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Ah I said ten years at least.

SPEAKER_04 55:14

Leon Okay. All right, we'll talk about it in a minute. Go ahead, guys.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

Back in fifth grade. Uh for uh African American Month, Heritage Month, uh, we they had a school performance where the fifth grade class did uh performances, and it was the Jackson 5 and the Temptation.

SPEAKER_04 55:37

You got to learn one of the two? That'll work.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Or they assigned it all the way. It was just whoever wanted to do it. Um guess who was in it?

SPEAKER_04 55:46

You. Yeah. Who did you get to were you uh David Ruffin?

SPEAKER_01 55:50

I don't I have no idea who they were.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Love David Ruffin, dude. Love David Ruffin. Or were you Otis?

SPEAKER_04 55:56

I had no idea.

SPEAKER_03 55:57

Otis was okay, but he was the one that actually made the band.

SPEAKER_04 56:00

Wasn't he who's the dude that like fell off with the drugs and stuff? That was David Ruffin.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

Yeah. And then Eddie uh high voice Eddie Kendricks.

SPEAKER_06 56:10

He stayed through my window.

SPEAKER_04 56:12

Paul Williams, Eddie Kendricks, Otis Williams, David Ruffin, Smokey Robinson.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

David, yeah, but Smokey Robinson, and he's in the movie too. He's you know, they were all in that mode.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

Melvin Franklin, that was the bass singer I'm talking about. DB Woodside was the actor. If you've seen his face, you'd be amazing.

SPEAKER_03 56:28

Really good movie, though. I think it's great. Check it out. It's older. I think it's 90s or something.

SPEAKER_04 56:33

This guy was in it, right? Yeah. Bottom. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:35

Okay, so we're talking about the same movie then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

That is a good movie. That was blue. That it was a good movie. I know exactly. Now that you're like, hey, he was in it, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

Good movie, dude. You see one all the time. When David Reffin, when they kicked him out of the band, and then he comes to that concert and pulls the microphone down when the new singer was gonna sing it, and he pulls it down.

SPEAKER_02 56:56

I know you and everyone's like, ah, I refuse.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

And he killed it.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

Every time we hear that song, I think Remember the Titans. That's been too long. That's been too long since I've seen that. When the the big white dude in there in the locker room, right?

SPEAKER_04 57:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:13

Yeah, he played Opie on uh Sons of Anarchy.

SPEAKER_01 57:15

Oh no, they were they weren't in the locker room, they were in the lunch room. Because he was saying, tell me something about your teammates.

SPEAKER_04 57:20

He's like, Reverend loves the Yeah, there you go. I'm thinking about whenever they played in the locker room, uh, Ain't No Mountain higher. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Yeah, he was in that guy. That white court white guy was in uh with his who was Opie from uh Sons of Anarchy, the big dude. Oh, really? That's him. Look it up. Not the not the not the super big guy. No, not the super another. No, but Opie, I know who who the super big guy is super big now. He's like he lost all that fat. He's like jacked up.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

I might have to look him up.

SPEAKER_03 57:46

He was in um American History X as well. Guy from I think Parker Lewis can't lose, which was a show back in the 90s.

SPEAKER_04 57:53

Going back to uh Ethan souple 90s. Soupley?

SPEAKER_03 57:59

Depends on how the lineage is, I guess. He lost all that weight and is like big and bug jacked. Damn.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 58:08

So who do we got on mic for?

SPEAKER_00 58:11

My name is Zach.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

Yes. Welcome back, Zach. What you smoking, what you drinking?

SPEAKER_00 58:16

To be honest, I don't know what I'm smoking. I just know it's by Dunbarton and Trust. It's an experimental blend.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

Oh, we got a doctor here, it's fine. You'll be okay.

SPEAKER_04 58:26

Looks like a G13 band, like from a laboratory.

SPEAKER_00 58:30

Yeah, I know. So I got it whenever I bought a box. The guy just kind of gave it to me and said, here you go. Try this out.

SPEAKER_03 58:36

Good luck with this. Yep. So it's Dunbarton puts out good stuff though.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

So it's like I'll take any experimental that they got.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

Yeah, that's super tight, actually. That's cool. I was just worried about fentanyl and shit. You know what I'm saying?

unknown 58:47

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

I don't think you gotta worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

That's all we have to worry about with cigars. We got bigger problems, brother. And what are you drinking?

SPEAKER_00 58:53

Uh Circle City. Yeah, same thing I'm drinking. Nice, nice.

SPEAKER_01 58:57

Eight year uh 95-5 wheat whiskey.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Yeah, I was thinking about getting it. I'm glad you did. Now I don't have to.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

I wanted in the at least for a little bit longer. You want it in a raffle? Yeah. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

About three spots. I won two bottles.

SPEAKER_03 59:09

Hey, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 59:11

One for me, one for him. We just don't know it yet. Yep. Just keep working on the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

Oh, I know it. I know it. Mikasa is Sukasa. My shelf is your shelf. That's why you have a shelf at my place.

SPEAKER_04 59:20

And it's not that fun to drink alone.

SPEAKER_03 59:22

So he's one of the most giving people I've ever met, though, man. Like you should have just seen him at the party and gave Cody these all these rare, awesome liquors. Came over with the best chicken wings you'd ever had, egg rolls, and freaking. Well, you didn't make the egg rolls, but still.

SPEAKER_04 59:37

Yeah, that has connotations to it. I don't know. His wife, no, his wife. I didn't even bring egg rolls, bro.

SPEAKER_03 59:42

No, his wife made the egg rolls and they are.

SPEAKER_04 59:44

You remember that? So dumb. Anyways.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

But there was a that freaking I I still think the spread we had for food was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:00

It was way.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

It's just that I don't eat enough. I wish I ate like I used to eat, so I could have torn down two plates each other.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:06

Like look at it like, damn, I know that would be good.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:08

I ate like most of my one plate, and then I was super full, and I was like, I really want to keep eating this is so good, but I just couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

It was pretty close to the perfect amount. Like pretty close. Like in terms of like leftovers and all of that, because you know, the main dish was that brisket, which was amazing. That's tight, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

Shout out to Chris for that freaking brisket, man. Yeah. It was so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

And then he had that whiskey that he made.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:33

Homemade whiskey.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

With uh is that what it was?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:36

I thought it was moonshine with honey. No, whiskey with honey.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

Well, moonshine is an eight.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:40

But he uses, I think, his own bee honey, like his own honey. Was it good? Yes or no? Oh, it was I like it. Oh, it was it was really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

But it was it was like too easy to drink because the honey was it high proof? It was it was probably he said 30 to 35 percent.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

I gotcha. Which is worse.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Roger's right, though, it was too easy to 60 to 70 proof. So it'll get you drunk.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:00

But it's too easy to drink, it goes down so smooth. So it'll get you drunk quicker than you want. And he had them in mason jars too.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:07

So it was like we used to go to Darlington because we don't go to Darlington anymore, but we used to go to Darlington. That was the we used to book in the quote unquote summer air quotes for the people just listening. So we'll go to 600 on uh Memorial Day, and then we'll go to Darlington Labor Day. Those are the two races on those weekends, and we used to hang out and camp next to these people from South Carolina at Darlington, and they would have like 10 jars of stuff. They're like, bro, you gotta try this, you gotta try it. And like it's like, dude, I've just tried all 10. Like, I'm lit now. Like I can't even drink my uh beer I brought now because I just tried every single one of those, and they were like white lightning level stuff. It was like it like bad, powerful.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

Yeah, let me ask you clear, like it was do these racing tickets come from your job?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:54

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:55

Oh, okay. I'm just wondering. Nah, it's like my you would think you would get some cool perks like that, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

I've gotten cool perks through the job. Just sports, um, not so much, right? Like, like not sporting events. There was a time when a couple of the stations used to get hurricanes tickets, and I realized now it was because they weren't that good at that time. But they became good, and they're like, we're not fucking giving away the tickets now.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

How much are the tickets now for Keynes?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:20

Probably paid $200 for close to the upper level now in a playoff game. In a playoff game, yeah, that was a playoff game.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:26

I just want to go to a regular game.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

Yeah, get in the door for $100, less than $100, probably. Let's do it. $100, $70, $100,000, $80, but you're like in section 300, you're up at the top. I mean, we've talked about this before.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

You wouldn't want to spend $120 and be like in a pretty we can hop in Ed's RV, the whole, the whole group of us, go out to a Kane's games.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:48

Andy is the one who to ask about the prices because that's my point of contact. Like, I usually when I go Andy from here? Yeah, the pilot Andy. Yeah, okay. He's like the person I tap in with when I go home. I won't say his last name. I almost did. I was like, let me not do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

I'm pretty sure we've said it before, but Yeah, we're growing though. We can't be saying first and last names and whole birthdays and times that you're born and social security numbers and favorite pet names. Yeah, yeah. It's just a security risk, you know? It is, it is because there's a lot of creeps out there, and we talked about the scammers on one episode. Oh, there's somebody on TikTok who always uh who's like day 37 of reading um the abstinent files, so you don't have to until every single one of these guys are put freak first in a in a wood chipper, and then they and then they'd read like something from that, like, because nothing's happening with it, which is crazy to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

Did you talk about scammers? Did you guys hear about the local guy? Which there's a local guy that was like um out basically saying that he would do different sort of contracting work, construction work, and all this other stuff, roofing and X, Y, and Z. Scam as old as time, and people were giving him money, and uh they recently just arrested him. How much money in total?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:58

40 grand. God, thank God, go to jail, do not collect $200.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:03

This is what I've learned about the legal system is you play with people's money, bro, and they are gonna sit your ass down. You're gonna go to jail scammers out there. Good sentences when you're like frauding people and doing stuff, you get the book thrown at you.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:18

Because you're not giving them money, you're not giving the government money. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:21

Yeah, they're not playing about their checks. That's all the panic on your face. That didn't happen. My eyes open from the first time. I was like that panic set in. I did, and I went, I looked out the window and I was like, is that doors leaving?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

Like my heart's saying, Do you have an arrhythmia? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

I was like, hopefully that was a lighter, and I looked back and I was like, No, just don't get it on the board.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:45

Yeah, I would have knocked it off.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:47

Which we've we've waterproof tested it one time.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

Yeah, we did, or beer tested it, I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:52

Even better. So probably water resistant at like five meters, then at least I don't want to take it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:58

What is it? A watch. It's an expensive piece of gear. Yeah. Uh so sponsor us. Anyway, what were we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

Oh, uh one thing that I wanted to talk about was uh for Memorial Day, uh popular thing is doing the Murph Challenge.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:13

Yeah, yeah, it's uh Murph. CrossFit Burpees in there?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

Uh no. No. Uh it's all weight vests. Yeah, no, no, no, no. It's all calisthenics. So it's 20-pound weight vest, you run a mile, uh a hundred pull-ups, two hundred push-ups, and three hundred air squats, and then run a mile again. Um so that's in honor of I think it was Lieutenant Michael Murphy.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

I've heard of it, but I didn't know the specifics of the workout.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:43

Yeah. So uh that's a pretty fun exercise. If you want to do that and sort of reflect and just think about like, yeah, there's people out there doing a lot harder shit than you're doing. But you're doing something. But you're doing something. Like this don't suck that bad. This don't suck that bad. Relatively exactly. So uh Um yeah, do being able to do that and it's all calisthenics, it's all you could stuff you could do at home.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:05

Um Dude, I've been kicking around the idea, which I'm not gonna do it. Don't this ain't gonna be your head thing where you're like, go say it on the podcast. Bro, the 75 hard thing, like there's gonna be a come come a time where I do that. What's that? Uh 75 days, no alcohol, you work out for 75 days straight, even if it's just active rest.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:25

And then you just say active rest. I mean, yeah. What's that, like walking around the neighborhood? Go walk. Oh, okay, okay. Active meaning that you're still doing it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:33

Like you're just doing something, not like watching TV. Or even like go walk 18 holes of golf. Just like do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and then it's clean living for 75 days, no alcohol. Try to eat as healthy as you can for 75 days. It's I guess essentially a reset. That doesn't sound too bad. No, that sounds cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:55

Sounds stupid.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:57

Well, see, that's kind of where I was at with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:00

It's stupid. Hey, this is really good for the colour.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

I think it sounds like I think you say it's stupid because it's challenging.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

No, because that you have to take away the alcohol. Could you do it? Yeah. I mean, I did. Well, we all did.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

We all did when we were deployed. When you have to do it, can you do it when you when it's up to you to make yourself not do it?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:18

I think I would do it, but I would have to go on like serious recluse mode. Yeah, I don't want to be hitting around a bunch of.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

Like, what are you gonna do once those 75 days are up?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:28

You're gonna have a drink and pass.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:29

See, the thing is, is like, bro, like we have touched on this topic before, but like you're probably in such a better place mentally after that that you're like, I'm trying to keep this shit going now. Well, you know, I've done all this work to get here. Why would I ruin it? Like, all right, boys, let me get a pack of new ports and a 12 pack of natural light and go crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:49

Oh, because you can't do cigars either.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:51

It's I mean, you can't like smoke cigs and shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

No cigars.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:55

Probably not if you're gonna do it to the real clean is clean. Yeah, I mean clean. Not jacking off. We're getting into the self-justification problem here.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:04

Now hold the phone, bro. Hold the phone.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:07

Now Lee's like, that's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:11

Must maintain purity in all facets.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:16

Oh man. No nut 2026. Ah, geez.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:20

I had one of those 2025.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:22

2026?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

Damn. I think your body decides after a certain level as a grown-up, you just have like a wet dream. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:30

The older you get, it's just like meh.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:32

At your age, it just comes out as baby powder.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:37

No chalk.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Who goes in? Bang, like the flag that flags. Bang.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:46

Looney tunes. Oh gosh. That's funny. Um all right.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:51

Well, yeah, as a former athlete, that has definitely been something I've thought about before.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:55

I mean, I challenge other people to do the harder thing, which is just do it in moderation.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:00

Yeah. Just do a piece of it even, yeah, and you're winning type deal.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

That's that's like um it's almost like the book I was talking about one time on here. It's a real thin, easy, quick book to read. Uh it's called The Miracle Morning. And what you do is you basically there's five things that you do. Um and I think I can't remember what the acronym is like Scribe or something like that. Uh or it's not Scribe, but anyway, you wake up one hour earlier than you normally do. You about to have to open that window, brother. You spend 20 minutes doing this, 20 minutes doing that, 20 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes, right? One of them is uh reading, one of them scribing, like writing your journal, one of them's meditating. Physical fitness, you know, or PT or working out or whatever. And just a little bit because it's super hot out there. Actually, I'm gonna get up and get a drink so I can do it. You doing the window? Yeah, I can do that. I can do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:57

Um, but uh journaling is something I have dabbled in. Savors.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:03

It's like scribing. Uh I'm never gonna remember it, but look it up, The Miracle Morning by Tim something or other. I can't remember. But it's all it says is wake up an hour early, do these things each for 20 minutes because you're gonna do a light workout, whatever, and all it's doing is getting you started for the day, your blood's going, you know, you've meditated, you've written, you've done all these things. So now you can get into your regular day, but you're also motivated more. It gets you waken up earlier.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:28

Your major brain work.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:29

Yeah, you're you the if you can jump start your brain in the morning, then the rest of the day is gonna go much more smoothly. I'll I'll have to look it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:38

But I think it's even when I was doing the thinkful journal thing, that really made me want to journal more. So sometimes I'd go off on tangents after I was like wrote what I was thinking before and be like, all right, well, I'm kind of like feeling myself, so I'm gonna keep I'm gonna write more. And a couple days of doing that, and you're like, Well, what am I supposed to write in this thing? And then you start to quickly realize it's like, bro, you just write anything, like it doesn't have to be in a total like timeline or make total sense. It's just like, what am I thinking about? Like, yeah, it'd be really cool if this happened today. Like, I wish I was doing this. Dang, it sucks that I have to go like just like literally putting your thoughts on a piece of paper is almost uh cathartic, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:17

Yeah, uh, I think that you probably feel a lot better after writing it all out.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:23

I've done it before and been like, uh, all right, that was cool. Like, and then like that was all right. Felt like I almost talked to someone really, it was almost like having a conversation, but just writing. I like to write though. I used I wrote a lot of songs in my life, same way, same same feeling, just not writing a song.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

That's that's the same premise of like anybody with like that sort of art artistic mind.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:45

Yeah, I used to love writing, bro. I mean, I still do when I like I had brought my notebook to the Concealed Carrie class, and it was like the one notebook I've ever written rhymes in, and it was like rhyme book, and then you open the front cover and it often it's like, Did you write today? Why'd you stop writing? What are you doing? And it's all different times I've been in there like mad, like, why am I not writing? Write that down. Why are you not writing? That's wild. You look back and read read some of those things. Oh, the pages are torn out.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

Uh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

But there's a whole thing of sheets that are torn out.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

I'm sure you're thinking about different things that you've written there in the past, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:18

Oh, heck yeah. Crazy stuff. Crazy, crazy stuff. Stuff that was recorded like 10 years ago, and like stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:26

Crazy, and like that's why you ripped it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:29

Crazy, like I just like I'm good. I put it, I didn't throw it away. Yeah, I just made room. It was like a composition book, so there's no perforated edge, so I like had to carefully tear it out like uh uh from the spine and like put it somewhere else. I wasn't gonna flip through like song pages and then try to write about guns and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:48

How was your concealed carry class?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:50

It was good, man. It really was because the dude that I did it with, uh, shout out to Lionheart. I I don't want to misspeak on the company. I don't know if it's defense training or guns, Lionheart, but it's Troy Leonard who put on the class and he he's been doing it for years now. He's a retired Marine. And uh I liked the class because he like applied the information with like real world situations, yeah, to apply the law too. Yeah, it wasn't just this is the law. All right, you remember that, right? This is the law. He'd be like, hey, this, this, and this is happening. What would you do? That's a good answer, but no, that's a good answer, but no, it's actually this because some of the stuff is tricky in the way that it works.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:31

With great power comes great responsibility, right? Yeah, so I mean, like, that's that's the whole point of the class. Is like, well, you know, you taking this class sh is supposed to be evidence that you um are qualified to have this responsibility.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:47

100%. And you know, subconsciously you think of duh, I am, I'm not gonna go do this, this, and this. But then he frames it in a great way to be like these decisions that you make on in moments that you wouldn't prey on anybody to happen are ultimately final.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:04

When it happens, yeah. So know that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

Cody and I were that's that was the whole, you know, our biggest takeaway was just like these l legal implications that you can get in, or like moral implications that you can get in.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:14

Dude, you could be in the right and have tons of trouble that happens to you on the back end of uh a self-incidence self-defense incident.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:23

Right can be subjective for sure based, and then you know, once law gets involved, it becomes very objective.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:30

Especially when it's just you and one other person. Like I was by myself. Then what? I mean, it just gets weirder.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

Yeah. But Zach just recently got a gun. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:44

And I got a Kimber 2K11 uh and that the Pro Comp.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:50

Oh my god, that thing is sweet. Oh yeah, it runs like a Mustang. A 2011.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:56

You don't even have to aim, you just point and shoot.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:58

Yeah, that's when I just does all the work for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:01

That thing has like so little re I I want to get a 2011 next. Really? Because I've shot my brother's uh staccato, I've stuck I've shot you know his 2K11, and man, it is shooting a uh a comp gun that's like meant for competition shooting is extremely fun. It's kind of like uh I kind of equate it to um the first time I shot a uh 22. Um technically it was like a a pistol, but it was uh a rifle essentially. Um and just shooting something that has such little kick and it's like a video game.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:40

Dude, someone ran through the class that you could tell was definitely versed in handguns and knows how to shoot, just ran through the class with a pistol. Yeah, 22. Yeah. I mean, it was a semi-automatic 22, but it was like I don't really need to bring my banger out here. Yeah. I still would though, wouldn't you? Bring your 45. We were all watching and we were like, damn, that dude is strong. The gun's not even moving. And we're he's some time goes by and it's like that's a 22.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:06

Or there are a lot of people that hadn't shot guns before.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:09

Dude, I will be quite honest, and I was probably on the lower third of people that because there was probably 21 people or so there. I was definitely in the lower third of skill-wise shooting, not maybe necessarily knowledge of guns, but maybe even still, but just uh timidness around of being around a firearm and you know, never had my own pistol before until a month ago. Yeah, you know. I've I've only been with my father and other people's guns and never like had it in my house and cleaned it and shot it and carried it around loaded, and you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:42

Yeah, because that's that takes them getting used to. And anytime I get a new gun and carry it, I'm still a little I don't actually carry around in the chamber a lot of times until after I've gotten comfortable with the game.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:54

Well, he had one of the first questions, one of the first things the dude asked in the class was like, Alright, you guys are all here obviously because you want to get your concealed carry. A show of hands, who's gonna walk around with a bullet in the chamber once you leave the game?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:04

Absolutely do that now.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:05

And I put my hand up because it's and he's like, What? Well, he asked every single person that didn't raise their hand, and I was like, Well, just because I would be kind of nervous, and he's like, Well, it's okay to be like that means that you respect the gravity of what it is, but hey, at some point you should practice enough to where you feel comfortable because there's a if that moment comes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:25

There's only one of my handguns that I don't carry with a round in the chamber, and that's my 1911.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:30

That's exactly what he said. He's like, I'm not putting a round in the head on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:33

Nah, man, and that's a 45, too. So ain't no freaking way. That's exactly what he said.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:40

That bag, probably.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:41

Smoky and the bandit. But that is my favorite gun to shoot, I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:45

He had a badass one too.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:46

Yeah. I have a Springfield Operator 1911. Don't do that. Don't do that. You're getting out of frame. I'm just moving so we can get it in here. Oh, I got you. You can move that bag, Rusty.

unknown 1:17:56

I'm getting in here right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:58

Okay, let me get in frame then so we can get paid off this.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:00

I'm sorry, you're married now.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:02

Seat taken. Seats taken. Depends on what seat. No, I just happened to your face.

unknown 1:18:11

You should, you should all be.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:13

What happened to your face is exactly what that's what Rusty just said. We talked about that earlier. I came out this way. Yeah. What is everybody doing? What is happening right now?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:23

You're not coming in?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

What is going on? I'm coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

I need y'all to get right back into frame.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:29

Are you just breathing hard?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:30

I will once I go pee. Oh, okay. Okay. No worries, no worries.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:33

But you know, I think that the um the notion of not wanting to carry with one in the chamber is all about comfort. And the only way to get around that is It's trust also.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:44

It's trust, I guess, with the firearm. Trusting the weapon.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

You have to get comfortable with that, with the with the and a lot of them have the triggers where you have to pull it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:52

A lot of them have that that grip. My XD40 has both, so I'm very comfortable with that. And then I can also reach down and and feel whether you know there's a pin that comes out when the round's in the chamber.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:04

Uh or when it's cocked, rather. And then when there's a round in the chamber, there's a top little thing that I can feel. So you can just feel it and know that that you're ready. Um, now the Hellcat Pro, you can't really feel even.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:20

It also depends on your holster, too. We talked about this before, uh, like off-camera, in terms of like different concealed holsters that you can have, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which ones you feel more comfortable with. And that's kind of where the stage that I'm at right now. I want to find one that I'm comfortable with that um I don't feel uncomfortable just having it around just because of like how big it is or how yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:42

When I used to carry my XD40, it's a big gun to carry. Yeah. Um, and I would carry it in the small of my back with an alien holster in it. And it's fine, you know, you you don't imprint or anything. Now I'm carrying my Hellcat Pro, which is a nine millimeter. It doesn't have the grip part, but it does have that that that trigger that I'm talking about. And when it's sitting inside the holster, there's no way that that trigger is getting pulled, so I don't mind that it's an appendix carry.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:07

That's how I would carry my weapon, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:10

But I use it, I use a tier one holster now for that. Alien holsters, tier one holsters, I love them. Um I've got uh I've got outside the waistband holsters for every gun just in case I'm going hunting and I want to put my 45 on or something, like just to have a backup in case a bear comes at me. Um but I absolutely don't carry around in the in the now I I know I can in the in the 45, but it's a 1911, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:34

It's it's got the hammer.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:36

It also has the grip thing. It doesn't have the trigger, you know, the trigger on a 1911 is just a pullback. You know what I mean? So yeah, I'm a little nervous to to carry that one with around in the chamber, but that's not my everyday carry.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

Let us know what holsters you guys use if you can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:52

Yeah, let us know your holsters, your favorite everyday carry. I think my MMP Bodyguard 380 is a nice gun, but it wasn't shooting for me, so I'm gonna have to figure that out. Yeah. Um, that's my ankle carry gun.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:05

You'd like it to be able to shoot as a use it as an ankle weight or so I'm not carrying that one right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:10

Or a shield. I'm not carrying anything right now. I'm drinking, so I'm not carrying that.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:14

Bludgeoning object. That's what I have is the shield 2.0.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:17

See, if I'm not carrying, man, I I at least have this bad boy, you know what I mean? Knives. I have mine on me. I clean my nails with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:24

Zach, I told you about the knife that my sister got me. Yeah. You have it? No, I didn't bring it with me. I don't want to fucking touch it. So my sister went to Japan. Super sharp. Brother. So yeah, that thing is extremely sharp, but I don't want to carry it, I don't want to bring it out simply because of how much it costs. And it costs a grand.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:48

Gee, for a knife. For a knife. How big is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:51

It's just a normal pocket knife.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:53

Oh damn. For a grand? What's the setting of it? Like wood or something?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:59

Yeah, it's like this crazy wood. Does it fold or is it just foldable? Um, and that thing is the the I did look up the um the metal quality of it, and that thing is like top, top, top tier. So you know that shit's sharp than. And but you know, I used it the other day just to like I just to see how sharp it was, and I grabbed like a piece of printer paper, and that thing was butter through the whole thing. It was yeah, I'm serious. Like you could cut like slivers of it just how thick. Hanging loosely, just yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:38

That's how you mean that's how you know. You know who sharpens knives well because they have a machine? Ace hardware. It's very and it's cheap.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:45

Yeah, I did not know that. I know I think we did you tell me that it's like six dollars. I would I bought a stone and I might take that shit back.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:53

So many stones and so many sharpeners and so many things, but they do it so much better, so much cheaper. I dig it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:01

I I like the um I think this is just my personality style. Like I I like the romanticization of just sharpening a knife on a whetstone.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:11

That's how my dad is, but it's not a whetstone, it's just some contraption he has that sharpens knives. It's not as rudimentary as the pull-through thing like you can get from Walmart, but it's something a different setup, and he's like, Hey, I'll just do it while I watch TV. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:24

So I got one where you can clamp your knife in, and then you just yeah, the roller one. No, I got the roller one too. But this is like a handle and it holds a stone and you're it's on a pivot thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:34

You set the degree the angle, and then you just flip it over and do it the same amount of times on the other side.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:39

Yeah, but right now I have to cover what's I on? Yeah, I have whetstones, and you know, that's pretty therapeutic to just be able to, you know, do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:46

And um and that shit's getting your knife sharp.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:50

My knives are my knives are all sharp. I'm you know, but when my old pocket knife, which was a little smaller than this one, was getting dull, I was like, ah fuck. I can't I can I couldn't really sharpen it that well. Took it to Ace. Like, hey, you guys work on something like that? And we're like, let's see. So he put it on the machine and it it does its little measurements and it's like where it does, dude. Yeah, so I gave that one to Jackson because I had just gotten this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:11

Yeah. As of right now, I'm doing my kitchen knives, are you know hand sharpened, but yeah, it's a time constraint too, because you're doing that and you're dude, yeah. It takes time. Yeah. Maybe I'll just like save one knife that I hand sharpened. The rest are just gonna be through like ace hardware, but uh just come up there with like your butcher block and like, hey, I need these. It's the beauty of YouTube because you can just like go online and just look at videos on how to do it and you know, grab a knife that that's the whole reason I bought the stone.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:38

I was like, dude, I was like the thing that's gonna get somebody helping you guys. I was like the thing that I'm doing with the little you know black and decker pull-through thing. That's not cutting it. Yeah, it's absolutely not cutting it.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:49

Yeah, working at a restaurant, we never sharpened. I mean on that level, it's like we never sharpen our knives with a uh with the whetstone or anything like that. It was just the the pull-through things, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:00

And you imagine how long if you were gonna get a knife like that sharp, you gotta be there for hours, bro. And hope that the thing that you're pulling it through is of quality at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:09

Well, it it depends on the this is like totally fucking nerding out, but it depends on like the rockwell hardness level.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:16

Well, I was gonna ask what are the three tiers of it? So say like, I mean, you can't see it on the camera, so here's like one they're numbered, right? One, two, three. It's like what is it core? They're coarseness levels, obviously. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:27

Or whatever you're not coarseness levels, it's uh basically depends on the softness. So you can get like a uh a knife that or a type of metal that is super hard that doesn't require as much sharpening, but it's it's a pain in the ass to sharpen because it's gotta go hard, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:43

No pun intended, you gotta go hard on that shit to make an edge on it on one side and then do it on the other side.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:50

So, you know, there's that. It's also the harder ones are more prone to chipping. And so if is if this is something that you're you know using to like break up like bones and things like that, camping gear knife, right? Yeah, like you don't want something that's extremely hard, you want something that's a little bit more soft, not too soft, where it's just gonna bend and and and uh right. There's a sweet spot for sure, and so you have different levels.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:15

Depend on depending on application.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:17

Yeah, and you've heard of uh well, there's chrome vanadium, you'll see like C R, then you'll see a number, then V, um, then like some other number that's typically on the lower end that's a little bit softer. You'll have like VG, you'll see VG8, VG 10. Uh, those are you know a little bit harder, and then you have uh blue steel, yeah. Uh, which is Aogami, which is like a Japanese steel, that's like much higher. And the one that I have is like even higher than that, like in terms of it's not rated.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:49

It's probably because you can't get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:51

Yeah, I I have the fucking numbers, but letters and numbers and shit. You gotta know a guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:56

And cost like the blood of a dragon to that has one dragon body on it, just yeah. Maybe two. Maybe two with that price. The price goes up from there.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:06

Two different dragons, that's why it costs so much. But yeah, so she got me that. But I'm like, you know what? I'm like, do you know what a utility knife is for? It's for utility. Yeah, I'm not gonna want to carry this around and I'm not gonna open my mail with this. If I have to use it in self-defense, they're not even gonna feel anything because of how sharp it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:26

It's just they're gonna be like, hey, I'm gonna be a dizzy. Yeah. Yeah, look at that pool right next to you.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:32

Yeah, but uh, I mean that that knife is really, really something special. And I I gotta thank her because That's cool. I thanked her, but just not to that degree because I I just don't even know what to do with this now. I just don't know if I'll ever that's okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:47

Yeah. Because it's badass, one of one sounds like.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:51

Yeah, just give me like a uh you know uh uh what the hell is the um the brand that that a lot of people have. have. Uh it starts with a K.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:03

Oh, Kershaw?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:04

Kershaw. Yeah. Just give me a Kershaw knife for like 20, 30 bucks and I'll use that all day.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:16

I bought it on Walmart, bro. Yeah. It was like it doesn't need to be any nicer than this. You know what I mean? Like I'm not, it's not a collector's item for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:25

I'm not doing anything but opening packages with this.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:27

I just wanted to I was like I'll spend the extra money because I want to spend the money on it being sharper than the one that's 20 bucks. And I hope that it is. Don't don't tell me that the one that's $20 is freaking sharper than the $60 one because then I'll be pissed.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:41

How sharp it is depends on how well you sharpen it. Any knife can be out of the box. Out of the box. I don't want to touch it. Until I have to what's something that you spent an inordinate amount of money on that you're like that probably wasn't necessary.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:56

Oh man. Oh man a lot. Clothes clothes clothes. Yeah they fade and shoes. Shoes might be a little bit different because you can you really preserve those but the money that I spent on the shoes that I did were ones that I'm like I want to wear these I want to wear these yeah they weren't like collector's level item shoes. I was like the world needs to see these and then what comes with that is like something's going to happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:23

Yeah. And somebody steps on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:25

Yeah and then and it only takes that first step and then it's now it's tainted. You crease it. Yeah it's killed like the crease is like dude I ain't that far into it. I'm not like a sneakerhead. But the same thing could be said about like boots. Like you know we talked about boots.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:40

But boots are like you know if they're high quality I thought you were wearing a UCLA sweater for a second.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:45

You're they should stand up to it especially if they're just leather. But I'm talking about like ostrich elephant skin yeah like stuff like that like those ulterior like materials on the toe ends of boots like hey man I might only just wear these to like somewhere nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:00

Ostrich kind of freaks me out I have that thing where you're afraid of like holes you know I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah like uh like a lotus plant gives me that same space and then they like the AI pictures of the feet and the hands that have it no exactly yeah they give see it gives you the he be g bees yeah man the hairs on the back of my neck are standing about ostrich is those ones go up they're not like actual holes yeah but still that same concept I yeah I forget what it what it's called I should know you're talking about like Hosh is putting their head in the ground no isn't that a myth they do do that ostrich boots you know how they have that sort of like weird pattern on the Yeah because I have some on my motorcycle seat.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:47

Oh yeah alligator and ostrich skin alligator I'm fine but uh you that thing you know that thing where you're Tripophobia Tryptophobia Tripophobia yeah you want to see a picture of it I was joking show Lee so we know what we're talking about I I can look at it I gotta face my fears yeah what's that you can it's just random shit like look at that hand look at that hand that is like not real yeah that's gross buttonophobia for people I get like hairs on the back of my neck I get so like if you saw my motorcycle seat you would not like looking at that no not at the fucking ostrich leather because it has like the little dots yeah yeah no thank you that explains why you're so against it I was like yeah get this you're going to a wedding it'll look nice and he's like no no yeah now you know now you know and knowing it's half the battle yeah the other half is looking at the fucking things now see I can't fucking get that out of my head now so we had three of our friends outside they all randomly left nobody closed up they just left it open I mean they closed the front door because you're here left the open sign on they know we're doing the show they know that we can't help customers but they left it like like who doesn't like the mom and that as the person that you know we were talking about the person that'll just handle it right yeah but just think yeah like be a decent dude just think you know we're not able to get up right now man that fucking pisses me off God yeah glad I don't have a key here and then so I'm helping these guys which are great guys that we're helping and they're golfers so I was telling about George and everything. Well then I lock up you know everything's locked and then I come back here and then Dakota comes right in so I'm like thank god somebody else is here thank you but seriously man who does that like if I'm leaving and I know that they are back here playing poker I'm not gonna leave that door open I'm gonna lock it so customers don't come in you know and we don't hear them because we're wearing headphones you know what I mean I only knew that guy was here because I only knew he was here because he went right there who the hell does that though you know what I mean people like Dakota that one died we had three views that one died that was the decoy motherfucker the camera the camera died we only got like thirty minutes left on hop on we're gonna do guest we're gonna do guest yeah here guest speaker right here you got something to say he's got something to say nothing to have when you move the lips it's a bunch of dippery at your motherfucker's act like they forgot about Dakota nowadays everybody wanna talk like I got something to say you gotta scoot back in scoochy scooch oh man what is going on what is going on everybody fresh off the boat oh man literally by the way literally by the way literally by the way fresh off the boat literally he was on his boat today that's it's a disclaimer he's talking about this guy don't even try this chip yeah how's he looking in frame he's good probably want to do the numbers right welcome Dakota what's going on guys what's been the topic of the uh choice here oh we had a lot of topics we were talking about AI for a long time gross gross what else did we talk about we talked about oh I know when we could just start right now that you sat down what's that what is like a cardinal stand of when you go to the pool or go to the beach like someone sitting like you know how like when you go to the beach and someone plops down right next to you and there's like you had all of that down there.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:23

100% so I'm you sat right next to me same thing in the boat.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:26

That's it same thing in the boat man if I if I pull up to the beach right and you know I put my boat way off to the side and then you pull your boat off to the side like I wanted to be over here to not be by you.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:37

Yeah I'm trying to get a handy over here dude yes come on because I gotta get a little respect.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:42

But you know another thing is like depending on the the boaters like experience do I like you getting close to the boat uh by no means is mine my boat like extravagant but if you're not confident and I'm I'm seeing controlling it yeah that's what I was about to say is like if I'm seeing you work in these controls and maybe put your bumpers out and all that stuff. Yeah exactly because like I I did it a couple times and uh my best advice to people was like if you're unsure on a boat just line it up a couple times. If you're coming into the dock or you're coming into the beach just do it a couple times man because uh I it was a big event out here on MRLI one time and there was enough space for my boat but we had a uh current tide was going out pulling me towards a couple boats uh I had a brand new uh it was like a pontoon boat but it was like one of those big power pontoons and I lined it up started reverse and uh not to get into it but reverse you gotta you gotta make sure your motors face it the right way because you don't get out of control quick real quick man you want that uh that engine points yeah you want that engine pointing exactly where you want to go unless there's more yeah for sure for sure uh and that's the thing I was I was I was teaching Amy is like every now and then you might need to just give it a little bump there and then it'll get you going. Uh but no I I lined it up a couple times and I like to think of myself as a pretty decent boater uh but I lined it up a couple times and then once I finally caught the current at a uh you know a good time and then reversed it in there slid it in between I had my bumpers out but by the time I hit the the sandbar I was good I was I was already in there you know I already throw out my front end yeah no one's gonna get mad at you for doing it the right way like 100% making sure you're good rather than like coming in at like five miles an hour like whoa whoa yeah it takes it takes some practice though man especially when you start getting into the current at boat ramps oh yeah you can see it's pushing so you just gotta go like this and kind of slip in and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:29

But I there's not a lot of classes out there for that.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:32

No no you have to trial by fire baby. Yeah you have to go to like some uh like specialized places for courses like that you gotta go to a dead boat ramp and like just have a day out there like and there there's like a train with somebody who knows what they're doing so they can talk like you talking Amy through it or whatever. Yeah for sure for sure yeah and there there's is a couple places that uh that have like a like a marina for instance that you can actually practice in there and you know it's it's not too bad. And like not on Memorial Day weekend in the at nine in the morning.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:01

That's not one you should learn. No not at all that's not the time to learn because you will learn a a hard lesson though. Yeah it's not gonna be the lesson you want to learn no but you're gonna learn a lesson.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:10

Yeah not to mention you're gonna make a lot of people mad uh maybe on someone's YouTube channel you're probably gonna get custom out of qualified captain baby qualified captain I tell you man every every time I come into a ramp and I'm a little a little crazy the wind picks up or something like that. Please don't let somebody be out there video this is going to be a qualified clap a captain clip man ah I get a little nervous but uh no I I just I mean we're switching gears a whole podcast but if you're getting into boating stay stay calm man stay calm stay calm and confident like if you give an input like stay with it don't like do it and then undo it whatever else but um we we actually took a ride up to Beaufort and went to Finn's man what a place yeah that's a good place how long is that how long's that ride so we took it it was intercoastal yeah intercoastal the whole way and I want to say it was about like an hour ride.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:57

Uh yesterday we went down to not bad oh no not at all that's how it takes to get a car you know what I mean it goes by quick in a boat too because it's like it you got stuff to look at the vibe and it's when I had my pontoon I always wanted to go up like all the way up to Atlantic Beach or whatever but I we only went up halfway because it became a pain in the ass finding the channel and it was so shallow in spots.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:18

So that's another thing uh make this whole tutorial podcast but uh I tell I tell people man turn your tracks on and then if you're unsure of an area go ahead and come off plane and just motor through it you know just come through a nice yeah you don't want to run aground I almost did man I was I was uh today yeah man we're we're coming out of uh you just got back man yeah this is day two on the water for sure for sure but uh we were coming out of Beaufort going into Moat uh to Moorhead City waterfront I was like I've never I've never you know run the boat through there I didn't have a a a track that was current and everything else and uh I was on plane just kind of bombing through there and then you know I was coming off and then I heard the engine start making some noise and look back and there was like just and everything and then there was an experienced guy from Moorhead he was looking at me and he was shaking his head and I was like oh yeah you're right so nine degree turn swing it wild meat brown come out here get back to your to your channel and then go around but uh after that he kind of laughed at me and everything but we both know what happened there it's dude so tough something trial and error at some level so it's like he's saying maybe just let off the gas and just and around here it's very shallow the sandbar shift every year. Yeah you didn't get fucked up I haven't went to Bear Island yet right so I haven't and the best thing if you have a bigger boat follow the ferry uh we stopped by Harker's Island and the uh Coast Guard point up there in Moorhead City Atlanta Beach area and I just sit there and I watch the um the ferries those guys obviously an expert in their craft yeah they know the world the ferries we call them the Dallas Cowboys yes those two okay but uh but yeah I was watching those guys and I was like okay I I can kind of see where they're at you know if I do go up there and I want to go to Harker's Island uh out there you know by the uh the lighthouse yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna just get up there line up watch for a ferry and then just kind of rotate and then you have like the lane to go to because you're like all right now it's that way. Yep yeah I was just motor behind a ferry and then you're good you're good. But yeah once I get once I like touch ground uh because mine drafts in like two foot don't want to go anything less than that uh but once we once got back to the channel then we were we were good and open it back up yeah a little bit but uh man Morehead City waterfront golly oh it's so awesome area when we play up at Jack's they always have the boats come right through there and I love because I'll be playing and I'll turn around and just watch the boats go by like hey what's up and everybody that's on the deck especially like the Moorhead City locals they all know the people that are riding by they're like yo bello and it's so everyone knows everybody they got all these lights under their boats and stuff. So I I showed up there uh we were hanging out of fins and this massive yacht pulls up ran out of gas ran out of diesel uh three boat US uh tow boats were pulling them in there he had enough gas to like pull on the uh the bow thrusters and the stern thrusters and then he got it turned around docked started filling up and everything else and uh as I'm leaving you know I had a couple buffalo trace about me and uh non-alcoholic uh by the way of course we don't do that buffalo trace light yeah light and so I'm in there I'm in a 22 footer not small by too many means but you know so he's in a 70 plus maybe an 80 foot yacht and then you got a catamaran that pulls up that's probably another like 40 foot 50 foot so pay the bill and I walk out there and I get on the boat and I'm I'm looking up at that boat right and uh I get on there I start it up the uh the dock hands they're they un un uh you know untie me and everything else and I look up there and everyone's watching me I was like hey it's not the size of boat it's the motion of the ocean and I start laughing the captain up here on this big boat starts laughing at me it was like what am I gonna say man like I I think I have a nice boat but golly you're coming up in here with a massive yacht save some for the rest of us every time I would go over to Bear Island I got to the point where I knew how to get down to the you know where the ferries go.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:01

Yeah for sure but then when you go left like you're gonna go around but it's so hard to find that spot to get around because it's so shallow right there.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:08

So the sandbars here in eastern North Carolina they shift all the time especially if a storm comes through. If a storm comes through and there's still uh boating season left you want to go out there take it nice and slow and find where those sandbars shifted because the Coast Guard hasn't come out there to do their job which they're awesome at it they'll remark the channels uh usually once a year and after a storm you definitely want to go out there find those channels something's moved hundred percent yeah you just can't go through a storm or anything like that and a channel hasn't moved oh yeah you know I've I've been boating for better part of six years and I I've I've learned that you know uh definitely the first time out every year you want to go out there because when our boating season starts hurricane season was like a couple months away ago so you definitely want to go out there find those channels because you don't want to be high and dry. Hell no and definitely have a boat US or a tow boat uh membership yeah for sure with my current boat I really don't have to worry about it because my current boat's a kayak so if you get stuck on that yeah you can just stand up and walk.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:06

Yeah but it has a prop you put down in the water so if I get into like two feet I have to pull that thing up and paddle like a caveman. Like us lowly commoners. I like to just pedal it's so nice. Yeah whatever I didn't know anything about it. Speaking of which we were talking about kayaking this weekend but I think it might be raining. Yeah it's okay it's gonna be raining at the race too oh that's right you're gonna be at the race it's gonna be raining here too bring your poncho they run in the rain but just not a lot of rain. Not a lot of rain well like you know that's kind of yeah and I would imagine the slickness of the tires changed as long as water's not like pooling on the track then on the straightaways like I think they run. Have you ever been on one of those speaking of NASCAR have you ever been on one of those tours where they take you in the bus around the track no I went to Daytona I haven't I went to Daytona when I was a kid my dad put we all three got in the the van you're in a van and they take you on the track and then when you get on the the curve you're like And you're running like 75 bro you gotta be no no no we're going we he's just driving along normal like 45 whatever just normal and he's like let me show you about the the curve and we're like so you get on the on the on the turn and it's like 45 dude and he's and he stops that bus on it and you feel like you're all gonna you're like come on dude go go this is down to the bottom of the apron man scary but it's like you know they're going so fast they don't care but now we're in a big giant van which they know when it's gonna tip over and when it's not but dude it's the it would have taken me walk into the track because we've had like pit access before and infield access so you kind of the way that Charlotte's setup you walk underneath the track up on a certain level that's how they get the cars in there and the trucks and all that there's a big like highway that goes through it and you go in and the last thing you see is like the turn and it that shit is like I guess for the camera purposes it's like that. Yeah and you're like you probably with a good pair of shoes probably couldn't go from the apron up to the wall to walk up it yeah I bet you couldn't you know it have you ever seen you don't understand how how how it's gravity acting acting on you to keep you in that track. Have you seen when they make uh Bristol a dirt track that's crazy and then the the the big rigs have to like run up it to get there with speed yeah for sure my grand my grandpa raced like Bush league but it wasn't Bush league back then like back in the day where he didn't the your pit crew is my dad was his pit crew and he actually ran over my dad's foot one time. But uh but but he ran against like he he he went against like I think uh what's his name Rusty Wallace maybe it's maybe it's uh Rusty Wallace is an old guy Rusty Wallace Bobby Allison you know those those old guys but when they were in there my grandpa was racing them too nice but he wasn't like a star or anything he finished a couple not top five yeah not anything he never like won or anything like that but he had a cool ass car man he was number eight and I still have his like jacket with the big ass number eight and it says Terry right here because that's my dad's name and it's my name. Oh yeah like it's like his racing jacket. It's you know but it's it's like a a 1970s style racing jacket so it's kind of cool I was never have like the Winston cigarette patch I don't remember what it has on it but I don't think it has no because they didn't have a whole bunch of sponsors back then for Bush League you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:22

We used to be a proper country man.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:24

The Winston Cup series we used to be a proper country Marboro back when it was called Bush League and not nationwide league or whatever Sprint Cup the Tampa 300 back back when the Redskins played in RFK Stadium were called the Redskins like men and now they're too long ago fucking stupid shit FedEx field.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:42

Anyway I digress but it's pretty cool I wasn't into NASCAR or anything like that but my dear function I mean it's cool crap people say like it's a big ass left turn I mean well it is but it's also at 200 miles an hour so it's kind of exciting. Yeah and and think about the Coca Cola 600 to be fair not to cut you off no no no there are times in that shit where it gets boring. That's the long is a night night race right and it's the longest race of the season. Yeah it's the long 600 miles that that's a long time bro that five hours it's four and a half hours think about these drivers dude having to do that and if there's think about the vibrate you mo you weed eat your lawn for an hour and your hands are like they're done. Yeah think about these drivers because they're like this I'm thinking about like what if I have to shit man yeah what do they do? I think that they are like they have to high performance enough that like hey for the next three days leading into the race day you're not eating high you know yeah or peeing or do they have peeing things I think that they can call the pins. No dude I think they have a thing to pee like even if it's just depins I think they're down to do that but if I have to go number two I'm gonna be like dog didn't they do that on the night where he had to stop he had to take a dump or something on the telling I think it was the first scene and he went and got an ice cream it's like get back in the race. Dude I don't know I I think they're they have like probably nutritionists that's too long that have them you gotta have a partner to tag in I was reading on Reddit one a couple hours like yeah I mean just try to take five hours before you start yeah that's what I'm saying like what'd you eat the night before like the I would be okay because it's nighttime and you do your morning movement and you're regular I would be okay with that but if you have to pee but also too adrenaline like your first race you might be like oh I got a shit going it's like we're like we're on the pace lab.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:31

The race doesn't even start and it's like oh my god they have to have water or something. Oh yeah so you're gonna have to pee at some point.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:37

I don't know you might sweat it.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:40

What do you do what do they do? I really don't know. Let's ask if you guys know put it in the comments put it in the comments if you're an Sun because now I want to know I do want to know because it's like well it's like the uh the the actors that uh fake the uh moon landing like of course they could just get up and go to the bathroom because you know there's a bathroom right next in the in the driver sweats they rarely need to go there's a there's an office next door you can just go to the bathroom. Drivers sweat so profusely they rarely need to go right because they're sweating that's got to suck for solid waste they must wait for pit stops or race stoppages.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:22

Oof that's rough so like again it leans back into the thing which I I would assume 80% like you you have somebody that's on your team that is like hey this is your diet for the next three days to kind of like stave that off it's like but it's you're not gonna go to Taco Bell the day of the race but how often have you thought about this like the human factors of things you know in any sport how how often do we think about these little difficult things because you know you got marathon runners that run it yeah same thing for NFL too don't they just they poop on themselves when they're running the serious ones right the serious ones are running in two hours so they shouldn't need to poop within that time but um yeah marathon I saw some

SPEAKER_05 1:50:00

Nasty stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:00

They do. Like along those. I ran it. Bro, it's a serious idea. Did you run it? No, hell no. I ran it. Hell no.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:08

I'm running it this year.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:09

I ran it. That's what's happening. But I ran it with my wife, so I ran her speed, so it took us five hours and 49 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:14

So you could have pooped in that time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:16

I think I did actually. I think in the beginning of the race, I was like, I'm gonna run up ahead, poop, and then I'll find you. I did, and I couldn't find her, and then I did find her, and then I was like, okay, easy day. But when I ran my first marathon, I did way better because it was my own pace. But it was the same year. I did both of them the same year, so that was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:35

Two marathons in a year. That's probably like the top shape.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:38

But how about that uh Cody's marathon the plaque? Oh yeah, the plaque. Did you see it with he's got the pins in it now, and he's got pins all over the U.S. Yeah, and he's got his ribbons on the top row. Oh, I'll never do. Yeah, he's done six marathons and and countless half marathons, but he we went through and you know put it on the that's what we uh Ben made for him, Pong Woodworks again. Oh no, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:01

So now what do you do, huh? Just let it rip in the seat or what?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:05

They're not paying me enough. But Pong Woodworks, Ben, Pong Woodworks. Um he uh he made this awesome freaking uh American it's it's the map of the United States, but laser cut on on wood. Yep. I think he used cherry. I can't remember what it was, might have been cherry, but anyway, it's stained anyway, so it doesn't really matter. She knows I'm on the podcast. But uh and then on the top, so the frame he built out of separate frames, like a top piece, a bottom piece, and two side pieces. Side piece is giggity. Giggity. But it's got slots through it, not sluts, it's got slots where you can put the ribbon of your metal through, and then it'll just have the metal, and then the ribbon comes through.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:48

Yeah, and then the capitals, major cities has a little uh pinhole in there, so you can put it like a little thumb tack in there or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:54

Major cities and the capitals are what we did. So if it's near that, because like me and him did the uh he and I did the um the Shamrock Marathon in 2013 in uh Virginia Beach, but Virginia Beach isn't on there, but Richmond is. So it's like just put it in Richmond, you know what race you did. You know what I mean? So it's we know it's not Richmond, but that's just a visual to show where his pen is. Yeah, check that out. So if for the other camera, check this out, even though I'm talking.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:20

So you're gonna be looking at the map of basically everywhere that Cody's ran and metal. Well, I mean, not metal, but he put a new one.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:27

Completed a race. But he's got all over the U. There are 40 slots, though. There's 40 slots all the way around it.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:33

So check it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:34

So he's gonna have more ribbons, he's got a lot more ribbons to put in there, he just or medals to put in there. He just uh is starting now to do it. But man, how cool was that, dude? So shout out to Ben. Ben, excellent job. Um, if you're listening, if you're not listening, then screw off Ben. Okay, we don't need it. Check out Pong. Check out Pong. Yeah, we do we do this from time to time. The weekly tests. Roger passed it that time.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:56

Oh, yeah, killed it. He did. Because the timestamps like everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:58

He's not gonna he goes, he did the middle finger in our in our group check because I was saying like that. He called them out. I was like, that's all right, Roger. I don't listen to this shit. We're just gonna do see what he said.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:07

Then he proceeds to say the timestamp of what he's like.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:11

He's a lee but eight-da-da.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:15

I was like, see, you pass the test though.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:17

Exactly. That's all we need.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:18

We just need verification that sent you as a verification. I was testing you to see how bad you wanted to build.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:28

I know, but you heard me and acknowledged it.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:31

Like it's a kick off. In Louisville, uh, Kentucky, yeah. They do a bourbon. I can't remember if it was a half marathon or a 5K because they let you drink bourbon, they have different vendors set up. So once you re reach a certain point, they have a water station and a bourbon station. Nice. I opted for the bourbon.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:51

If it's a 5k, yes, thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:53

It probably was a 5k, but I ran it twice because they weren't taking tallies of because like whenever I got done, people were still starting because they got there late.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:03

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:03

So I went back around and went again.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:05

Yeah, but a 5k is our deal, man. That's like so you mean do a PFT? Cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:09

Yeah, and drink bourbon along the way. Oh yeah. I'm down.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:13

Now I don't like drinking and running. I don't like drinking and working out, even though I've done both. But at the end of the first marathon, at that about mile 24, there were people outside in Virginia Beach, there were people outside their house with with little shot glasses of beer. Let me tell you something. I because I hit the wall at mile 22. I was like, and then I was getting okay again. But when you drink that beer, you feel the carbohydrates re-entering your body, and you're like, let's go! You really do feel it. One little one little baby shot glass of beer.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:46

How'd it do it? That happened to me this past weekend. I ran my first 22 and it was down at 22 miles. Yeah, 22 miles. It was down at Top Cell, running a top cell to Surf City and back. What was your pace? Uh we started off at a 940 pace for about 15 miles, and then I hit my wall at the 60 mile mark. So it went from 11.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:10

So you haven't worked your way up to this? Not yet. You just went and did it.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:13

Well, I've been working myself up slowly. So, like my longest one before that was an 18.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:20

But that's a lot of miles, dude. That's a lot, bro. It is that's impressive, but you gotta work your way up to it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:26

We hit this house that had some people vacationing, I guess, and they're on their top balcony, they're like cheering us on, and they're like, You want a beer? My other two friends are like, No, we're good. I was like, I need a fucking beer. Because like at that point, our pace went from nine miles an hour to 14 because you hit the wall.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:44

Yeah, did you feel it though? The energy you got?

SPEAKER_00 1:55:46

Oh, I they threw down a beer, it I dropped it because it slipped out of my hands and it cracked open. I shotgunned it.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:52

Hell yeah, dude. And then my deplete everything you can do.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:56

My pace went from 14 to 11 for the rest of the time. It was a win.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:03

But what you needed, you know, I you do you do gels or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:07

Oh, yeah, I was doing gels. I had my water camel back with me and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:11

Because you get you get used to it. I I was talking about this the other day. I was not a runner uh by any stretch until I met Cody. Yeah. And I used to run a 21-minute three mile. That was that was it. I was like, this is what you're gonna get out of me, bro. Like, I'll do 20 to 100 and I mean that's pretty it's okay. It's okay, but like in boot camp, it was a 1916. I don't run like that anymore. Yeah. So when me and Cody met as gunnies, he was like, let's go out running, let's let's go do some running, but we won't, and I would try to run my PFT pace like fast, and he'd slow me down, slow me down, slow me down. So he got me to the point where I sp I eventually got faster by slowing down first. We ran a 20 miler on Lejeune at a 752 pace. Talking. Talking to each other.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:54

That's the point I need to get to. Still working.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:59

What are you what are you even doing? Oh my god, who the hell cares?

SPEAKER_04 1:57:11

I was gonna say if you hit that button, the show's over.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:13

Oh my god! There's lost this lost. You have to have that volume. Three hours later. Three hours later. And then I like the uh that. But there's four phases of it. Let's see. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff up there. I see it. I see it. I'll organize this. That's all there is. I like it. But it is, but dude, yeah. Uh it gets you addicted to it. It does. But then you're like, why am I addicted to this thing that's killing? I'm dying. Because you want to be yourself.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:47

So hold on. My question is, what did you guys do to mitigate the runner's high at the beginning of it? Like that energy you get that you just want to keep going like faster.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:56

Like, what did you do to mitigate it? In the beginning, w I didn't have the runner's high because we we slowed it down so much. Okay. And then once I got used to the fact when now when I got to the point where I can run 10 miles, 20 miles, I can I can do like big time double-digit miles. Not big time, but like 13-14 miles. 13-14 miles is a lot for somebody who's uh you start getting the runners high because you've trained so much and you've gotten used to your pace. Yeah, you know not to start too fast, even though I did on my first marathon. You know not to do that. Um you you you you get in your I I want to say, and I can't run anymore because of my condition, but you get in your um your groove so easily the longer you do it, the longer you practice it, and then that's when you get that runner's high. And it's like, man, when I'm out on a run, like so, even a five-mile run or something, I would work out in my garage, I'd go on a five-mile run, and then I'd go to jujitsu that day. Nice. But like during my run, I'm just like, oh, I feel so good because I just worked out and I'm now I'm getting my shit in. Didn't I didn't know I was deteriorating my heart? 100%. 100%. But no, I mean, that's the runner's high that I feel. Do you feel it? Do you like? Do you get the runner's high?

SPEAKER_00 1:59:11

Well, you said it kind of right on point. It starting it slow. Whenever you're in that zone two, you don't really get it. Yeah. It's only whenever you get like the top of that zone three, zone four, that's whenever that high starts kicking in, and then you're like, all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:25

Did you find yourself having to throttle it back?

SPEAKER_03 1:59:27

Or yeah, you have to, okay. Marine Corps mentality, you're used to running a PFT pace. Yeah. And that's what you've been trained to do forever. Yeah. So when somebody's coaching you, slow down, slow down. You're like, ah, I'm not a fat body, I can run out of the phone.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:41

And that probably makes you feel like you're not doing good.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:43

But we're going further than we normally go. So you need that, you need that juice, you know, you need that uh energy, you know. So um you start to trust the process, then you start doing speed drills where you do one minute at like a six-minute pace, and one minute at a slow it down, and then one minute at a six-minute pace, and then you know what I mean? Like you're just sprinting for one minute, sprinting all out, and then for one minute you're like recovering. You know what I mean? And that incrementally builds your speed.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:09

See, I don't have to do that. I uh we just have to run a mile and a half nowadays. Oh gay, dude. That's a that's a navy PRT. It is, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:17

You couldn't do that besides me because I have a heart condition. No, no, no. I'm talking you can do it.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:21

So for my age group, I have to do it in like 1345. Dude, with my heart condition. I think that's like a speed walk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:30

It is it is, yeah, it is. Yeah, but that's what you're required to do. Yeah, for sure. The thing about running is when you get outside of the mentality of what I'm required to do, then it becomes fun. Because I never liked running. I hated running. Yeah. I didn't hate it, but it was like, I'm not, this isn't my thing. Yeah. But once you once you learn how to it becomes fun, just going to read it. It really does become fun. It becomes like a a high that you want to catch every time. Like, oh, I got a seven miler today, man. I'm gonna get out there and get some and listen to music or whatever, talk to my friend while I'm doing whatever. Yeah, yeah, do your thing. But it be it becomes very addictive. I mean, it really does. And I can't do it anymore, so I live vicariously through all of our friends. Yeah, man. And you know, Cody and Ed and Chris are doing the the half iron man, and I think that's awesome. I can't wait to Chris Rabasi? No, Chris uh uh Bradshaw. I almost said the other Chris. Oh, I just said his government name. Anyway, uh there's probably another I missed the other dudes too. The sensor button, got it. Never mind.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:36

If you listen to this far end of the podcast, you're not a hacker. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:41

No one wants to do that. That is true. I didn't get to bring up the thing I wanted to bring up, but we're at 201 now.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:46

Wow, I wanted to bring up the uh chess match, but hey, next episode. Next episode.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:50

We talk, we talk coming real for that next episode. Remember the guy.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:54

Oh, they troll.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:55

Well, but I wanted to talk about the Kandahar Giant. But that's okay. We don't have to. We'll do that next next episode. Next episode. But I said it's a good one. Stay tuned, ladies. And also trolls, because I I met a troll today on this chess app that I play, and he's just like trying to get a little bit of a big thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:10

All right, so we have some groundwork at least.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:12

Yeah, we got some groundwork. Are you guys ready to do our outro? Absolutely. Well, then I guess we're gonna start with microphone two. Let's hear some final thoughts. Dakota.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:25

Uh final thoughts is uh if you ever get a chance to go to the Beaufort waterfront, Finn's is really great. Uh, you have moon rakers out there, it's really nice uh outdoor seating. You can watch all the nice boats, and then uh if you are fortunate enough to have a boat to get out there, uh keep going down that little channel, and then there's a couple little endlets there. That's where the horses, the wild horses are. Do not get too close. Don't get too close. Don't do it. Uh, but yeah, when you're out there on the water, man, just let everything go. Put your phone away, take your pictures, take your videos, but put your phone away and just live in the moment. That's what I think. So yeah, it's nice. Nice to get done.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:58

Live in the moment. Thanks for having me. I like doing it inside this time. Little switch of the scenery for the viewers. We proved that we could handle it one-on-one. And we're not in heaven. We're not in heaven. All the camera angles are good. It's shaping up to be a nice episode. Good smokes, good drinks, good folks. Glad to be here, and uh, let's keep it rocking.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:20

Thank you for having me on. Um, for those that can run, just go for a run. Even if it's a minute and you gotta walk the rest. That's right. That's still doing something. Gradually compressed. Yeah, freaking Lulu. And that one minute will turn into two, so forth. So keep going.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:38

Absolutely. I will say once again, uh God rest his soul to my buddy that died. I I I'm not gonna say his name, but we did talk about it last episode. Um, more to follow on that. But uh also, we want to thank George's Cigars here in Swansmore, North Carolina, for letting us do this show here. We want to thank Candy Adventure, who's always got our back. We want to thank JB Sweatshop, which is American Graphics, who made this hat. And we're gonna be selling some hats once we get some interest. You guys tell me who wants a hat, and I'll order based on that. We've also got sweatshirts and all kinds of other swag. So thank you so much for allowing us to do this. Please comment all you want, whether it's good or bad. Please try to be productive when you do so. This is the Hot Ashes Podcast. I'm Lee.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:27

And I'm TK.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:28

We'll see you next time.